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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 09:19:00 -
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No one's mentioned this yet but I donGÇÖt see why a sci fi game cant have some magic like in Highlander or the whole warhammer 40,000 thing.
I had a few ideas for this but wanted to start with my more sensible ideas like a resurrection spell instead of nanite injectors.
Not replacing the injector or anything but like another option or way of doing things.
or a spell that lets you fly short distances to make up for the lack of ladders in he maps.
Anyone else got some great ideas for how we could implement magic into dust ?
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kellogs27
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.05 09:27:00 -
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go back to wow?
nah jokes, but seriously magic does not exist in the new eden universe where dust is set so it really wouldn't work....... |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 09:34:00 -
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Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.05 09:46:00 -
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Well, just because magic has never been expanded upon in the game, doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Who knows, there could be some wiccans hiding out on some of the planets :P In all seriousness though, I don't think magic will ever find a place in Dust, at least not in normal matches.
Perhaps when gladiator matches are introduced, there could be some type of "virtual reality" implemented, that could bring the use of fireballs or frost. I'm not sure I would be a fan of this, but it could add an interesting element to gameplay. People are fascinated by magic now, why wouldn't they be in the future? |
kellogs27
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.05 10:03:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
Spies and Charisma mate..........spies and charisma. However EWAR is kind of like magic I guess. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:06:00 -
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kellogs27 wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
Spies and Charisma mate..........spies and charisma. However EWAR is kind of like magic I guess.
Good awns on the queeny 
So Yea I'm gona pretend I'm a wizznerd and load up on EWAR..bring it magic haters |
Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:09:00 -
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You'd have a lot of EVE players going WTF....
I just don't see it at all, I mean I don't want to rag on you for a suggestion that was given with honest intent, but a lot of people are going to look at this post and think your trolling just because it has NO PLACE WHATSOEVER in EVE lore...
Any sufficiently superior technology is interpreted as magic, if you want magic look to sleeper tech we don't understand that's the closest thing you'll get... Besides someone hurling fireballs doesn't come close to someone hurling thermonuclear artillery... And frost attacks would be raped by the guy with the 2,000 mph electromagnetically charged railgun rods... The guy waving his hands casting incantations would likely be pissed when a logi guy ran up mid casting and stuck the guy with a nanite needle in a split second reviving him and putting them both back in the fight... Flying? Well it may or may not happen, but, god forbid jetpacks are introduced, and then your wandering mage is once again outperformed... To put it simply any magic that DID develop would be relatively rudimentary and weak compared to any of the technology that already exists, and would mostly be for DEV lol's if anything... |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:14:00 -
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Now when you put it like that magics looking mighty underpowered.
This is now a buff magic thread! |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:20:00 -
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http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5246/intimidating-shout |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:50:00 -
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The only race who see "magic" in New Eden is the Amarr, and that's only because they are bat **** crazy religious fanatics.
Edit: Well, most of them at any rate  |
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.05 12:00:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5246/intimidating-shout
A truly "intimidating shout" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymk_RPZ0jSI |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:24:00 -
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I think this thread probably would have gotten more thoughtful responses with a different title, as several of these posts are clearly knee-jerk reactions.
[spoilers]
In the novel EVE: The Empyrean Age, when the Broker needs to impersonate Admiral Noir, he ambushes the elderly admiral in his bedroom and releases from an arm mounted device a swarm of nanites that dissolve him into a puddle of paste.
[/spoilers]
Technology such as that is what I think the OP is getting at here. Not "CAST SPELS" but technology that operates in a somewhat fanciful manner. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:27:00 -
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No really Mobius I was just being an idiot and somehow this thread went its own way and everyone is trying to be resonable ..it makes no sense at all. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:30:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:No really Mobius I was just being an idiot and somehow this thread went its own way and everyone is trying to be resonable ..it makes no sense at all.
BRILLIANT.
That's a +1 from me. |
Logisticus Testing
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:34:00 -
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what's the saying? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic?" how many ancient races are there in EVE? |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:38:00 -
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Logisticus Testing wrote:what's the saying? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic?" how many ancient races are there in EVE?
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All races in New Eden are human descendants. Even the sleepers and the Jovians. Though the Sleepers we've seen so far are are mechanical rather than biological |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:57:00 -
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Stop it this is suppost to be a troll damit. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:05:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Stop it this is suppost to be a troll damit.
Trolling trolls is Tro lo lo lo lo :P |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:23:00 -
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if i get to wear one of these i'm in! |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:31:00 -
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I put on my robe and wizard hat... |
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un boff
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:33:00 -
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:56:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
It is explained as quantum fluid connections on the genetic level with a set group of around six people. Read Dust 514 for a more detailed explanation. |
Azura dark
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:59:00 -
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Dustmon battle's , thats what we need , instead of shooting at each other, we just throw a ball out (shouting i choose you) and some random animal jumps out and starts using the magics all over the place. killing havs |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.05 21:21:00 -
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Magic? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcEZ8jz_Hc
"Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie? Or are you gonna bite?"  |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.05 22:07:00 -
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3/10 troll post. Sounded sincere enough, but the stars of new eden hold magic enough without introducing spell systems & enchanting into the game. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.06 00:16:00 -
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Its more amazing to me that people took THAT LONG to realize that it was a troll. |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.08.06 00:22:00 -
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Its sad that a troll can't troll properly thse days... |
L1BERT1NE X
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.06 00:41:00 -
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kellogs27 wrote:
Spies and Charisma mate..........spies and charisma. However EWAR is kind of like magic I guess.
Can I have a Land Falcon? I want to turn off merc visors, and shiny tanks. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:14:00 -
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 this thread
 trash. |
Dante Daedrik
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 15:46:00 -
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I always imagine Forge Gunners yelling, "Fus Ro Dah!" |
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Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.08.08 16:17:00 -
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Dante Daedrik wrote:I always imagine Forge Gunners yelling, "Fus Ro Dah!"
DAMN YOU.... you beat me to the skyrim reference...... was about to quote intimidating shout.... |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.08.08 16:34:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:I always imagine Forge Gunners yelling, "Fus Ro Dah!" DAMN YOU.... you beat me to the skyrim reference...... was about to quote intimidating shout....
I used to be a Forge Gunner, but then I took a Tank in the knee... |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.08.08 17:23:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:I always imagine Forge Gunners yelling, "Fus Ro Dah!" DAMN YOU.... you beat me to the skyrim reference...... was about to quote intimidating shout.... I used to be a Forge Gunner, but then I took a Tank in the knee...
I hope you mean railgun shell or missile or blaster round or something cause somethings wrong if you let a tank run you over....yes I got it..... |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.08.08 17:25:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Thor Thunder Fist wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:I always imagine Forge Gunners yelling, "Fus Ro Dah!" DAMN YOU.... you beat me to the skyrim reference...... was about to quote intimidating shout.... I used to be a Forge Gunner, but then I took a Tank in the knee...
I used to be an assault trouper.... then I took an RE to the knee..... |
Eirnin Solista
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 18:08:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
Read more lore haha. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.08 18:14:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Stop it this is suppost to be a troll damit.
Fail troll is fail. |
Alshadow
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:27:00 -
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everyone go play mass effect then come back to this post and state what u think we should do for this |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:09:00 -
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LOL Sha To much man ;)
Hey hit me on Skype man. |
Duke Ikalla
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:24:00 -
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Jonquill Caronite wrote:You'd have a lot of EVE players going WTF....
I'm a Eve player, and am saying the same thing! Magic in a First Person SHOOTER game...I don't see it lol. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:31:00 -
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There is no magic. Only science. |
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:53:00 -
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I cast magic missile at the darkness. . .
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Alshadow
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:49:00 -
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LOLZ |
Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:07:00 -
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Hey .. that's not as stupid as it sounds. Actually it was already mentioned as the "arm mounted device". So all it needs lore wise is:
What is the base of the "magic"?
Actually it can't be mana, but nanotechnology can serve as the base of it in the EVE universe.
What is the energy source?
No magic energy flows in a wand, but a device that generates a field to control, guide and energize nanorobots.
What are it's limitations?
It would depend on the connection between the controlling mind and the actual robots. If you got predefined programs on release you could have quite a lot of flexibility and on the other side a limit to the use. (Maybe someone read Eragon.) The limit is the amount of energy the device can supply, which limits the ampount of used nanites. And the carriable amoutn of nanites also limits on how long one could use the nanites until they need to be replenished. (like in the new hives)
Why wasn't is mentioned in EVE yet?
Wasn't it already mentioned in remote repair systems? We already have a magic armor repair wand even in DUST.
What would be the applications?
Actually every application would need a different program in the nanites, different nanites and would eat up some of your nanites supply. Let's say our "Nanocaster" is on Repair mode right now. It could be also on Restock, Armor Deconstruction or even a Shield Decharge mode. You could have slow moving mass driver like "fireballs" that are programmed clouds of Armor Deconstruction nanites. All that's different right now is that the repair tools are limited to remote repair.
What are the pros / drawbacks?
Well they are obvious. As versatile the caster is, it needs to stop the flow of nanites, change the program, recalibrate the new type of nanites and slowly eats up the nanite supply. In game mechanics it has a high versatility because you can change the style of gameplay on the fly. On the other hand it is slow in the change of fuction with a relatively long cooldown after function change (5 to 10 seconds?). Another drawback is that it needs to be worse at every function compared to equal tools or weapons. It repairs slower than a repair tool, deals less damage than a mass driver, is obviously slower on restocking ammo than a hive. But on the other hand it can fulfill all the tasks equipped as a light slot making it the COOLEST Logistics Tool / Weapon out there.
And yeah of course it has insane cpu and PG requirements as it has to energize AND control the nanites. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:21:00 -
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+1 for stupidity on a rainy day
and for all the shout out to games with magic in them |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:58:00 -
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It about time a GM locked this 
End my shame Unicorn your my last hope. |
V3X1US
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is no magic. Only science.
The only one who's even gotten close to saying Implants.
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.11 08:59:00 -
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kellogs27 wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
Spies and Charisma mate..........spies and charisma. However EWAR is kind of like magic I guess.
Try a vast amount of implants and culturing of her clone that allows her to intercept signals/messages from other implanted beings. It's not magic, she's just able to read the "hard-drive" of another person's implanted brain. |
John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.11 09:17:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.11 10:26:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:kellogs27 wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Aaaaha!
Then how does the Pesky Amarrian queeny lady princess somehow know wtf is going on all the time and peeps can feel her presence?
Spies and Charisma mate..........spies and charisma. However EWAR is kind of like magic I guess. Try a vast amount of implants and culturing of her clone that allows her to intercept signals/messages from other implanted beings. It's not magic, she's just able to read the "hard-drive" of another person's implanted brain.
Yea I should really have finished that book.
Not found any magic in Templar 1 so far but will keep you magic fans posted. |
FissionChipzz
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.11 10:54:00 -
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What about like some sort of boosters to make you jump higher? |
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Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.08.11 11:48:00 -
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so, some of the immortals want to drop the "demi" part of their god complexes.
Seeing as even Mass Effect and Star Trek came up with excuses...
Taking the grain of salt in 3...2...1...
I like the nano-tech idea Seran. I could see that functioning more like BioShock plasmids than anything. This also allows nano-hives to replenish your supply.
As for function, the programs would actually be in our implants, the nanites can do whatever you tell them.
Furthermore, i'd like to see the "spells" try to fit into New Eden. Amarrian spells would be firey balls of repentance, caldari freeze ya solid, gallente would paralyze ya to death, and idk what the Minmatar would do...
This has a 99.9999% chance of not even being considered by CCP, but it's always fun to talk about this stuff. |
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