DUST Search - "simple corps" Updated (lets test soon)

Rhadiem wrote:

Zion Shad wrote:

TotalBreakage wrote:

I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean ****.

Grouping will be a little better then what is going on now, but it all could end up like MAG where your placed in a faction due to race and thus you can only group with others in that same faction. So Corps that want to form might have to tell everyone to pick the same race for their character to work together.

This part worry's me:

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or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join

But I agree with this

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The entire CSM said that having some sort of corporation at launch of DUST was critical, even if it wasn't the eventual ideal structure.

CSM Meet Page 72

First of all, glad to see you guys taking the initiative on this.

Regarding Faction wars, I'm pretty sure you can actually join FW in EVE even if you're going against your own race. You may want to look deeper in to that with EVE, as I doubt they'd stray much from that. The default npc corps are based on your faction of course, but I'm pretty sure you can join FW against your faction, or join a corp that is doing FW against your blood faction. I do know you can do "quests" (missions) that hurt your standing with your blood faction.

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Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.03 14:10:00 - [1] - Quote POST Your "simple corp" thoughts here Main Topic for DUC#2 "simple corps" Quote: CCP is looking at if they could have simple DUST corps, with chat channels. They understand the importance of corps, and are looking at a concept called "simple corps", with greatly streamlined management. Those might be part of a beta release, or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join. At the latest, players would be able to join player alliances or corps in 2013. CCP is also looking at including persistent squads, so people can play matches with an ad-hoc group. CSM meeting minutes Page 72 EDIT: Here are the tools I would live with: Recruiting: Allowing members to Hire Corp Mail and Chat: Of course this will be there Corp Hanger(s): Deny or Allow access Corp Wallet(s): Deny or Allow access Rank/Title System: We don't need any roles for this truly, but being able to Rank is whats needed to organize a great Corp/Clan. Quote: or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join This is how we would have to structure our forces for those of us that run "Corps" purely off of external means (such as organized by websites and Chat programs) if NPC Corps are forced on us. For us to organize without player made "Corps" we will have to have everyone join the same faction on an individual level (which is easy to do). Then use "Friend list's" for our roster and grouping to organize matches. Corp wallet would be purely on one to multiple Members personal wallets with no records what whats being spent where. And Corp hangers with be personal inventory. You would see more players putting clan tags in their names due to no ticker support and see a lot more Biomasses to change names when their external Corp fails or they are let go or quit (if such acts takes place) I would like to test Corps ASAP because this will be critical for longevity within DUST Thank you ;) ZionTCD CEO, ZionShad To Join/attend DUC, please visit DUSTUniCon.enjin.com Win Together or Die Alone 1st DUC Meet
TotalBreakage Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 410	Posted - 2012.08.03 14:16:00 - [2] - Quote I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean ****.
Darky SI 232	Posted - 2012.08.03 14:17:00 - [3] - Quote looking good DUC, keep it up
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.03 21:00:00 - [4] - Quote TotalBreakage wrote: I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean **. Grouping will be a little better then what is going on now, but it all could end up like MAG where your placed in a faction due to race and thus you can only group with others in that same faction. So Corps that want to form might have to tell everyone to pick the same race for their character to work together. This part worry's me: Quote: or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join But I agree with this Quote:** The entire CSM said that having some sort of corporation at launch of DUST was critical, even if it wasn't the eventual ideal structure. CSM Meet Page 72
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: TotalBreakage wrote: I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean **. Grouping will be a little better then what is going on now, but it all could end up like MAG where your placed in a faction due to race and thus you can only group with others in that same faction. So Corps that want to form might have to tell everyone to pick the same race for their character to work together. This part worry's me: Quote: or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join But I agree with this Quote:** The entire CSM said that having some sort of corporation at launch of DUST was critical, even if it wasn't the eventual ideal structure. CSM Meet Page 72 First of all, glad to see you guys taking the initiative on this. Regarding Faction wars, I'm pretty sure you can actually join FW in EVE even if you're going against your own race. You may want to look deeper in to that with EVE, as I doubt they'd stray much from that. The default npc corps are based on your faction of course, but I'm pretty sure you can join FW against your faction, or join a corp that is doing FW against your blood faction. I do know you can do "quests" (missions) that hurt your standing with your blood faction.
ryan valentine Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:11:00 - [6] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: Zion Shad wrote: TotalBreakage wrote: I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean **. Grouping will be a little better then what is going on now, but it all could end up like MAG where your placed in a faction due to race and thus you can only group with others in that same faction. So Corps that want to form might have to tell everyone to pick the same race for their character to work together. This part worry's me: Quote: or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join But I agree with this Quote:** The entire CSM said that having some sort of corporation at launch of DUST was critical, even if it wasn't the eventual ideal structure. CSM Meet Page 72 First of all, glad to see you guys taking the initiative on this. Regarding Faction wars, I'm pretty sure you can actually join FW in EVE even if you're going against your own race. You may want to look deeper in to that with EVE, as I doubt they'd stray much from that. The default npc corps are based on your faction of course, but I'm pretty sure you can join FW against your faction, or join a corp that is doing FW against your blood faction. I do know you can do "quests" (missions) that hurt your standing with your blood faction. Yes, you can. Access to a Faction Militia is based on your Standings with that Empire and not your toons racial background.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.03 23:11:00 - [7] - Quote I would like Corps support with the ability to choose a side for the Corp over choosing a faction and only being allowed grouping. It looks like will have some form of Corp support. To what is unsure, But we should let CCP know what we would want. Here are the tools I would live with: Recruiting: Allowing members to Hire Corp Mail and Chat: Of course this will be there Corp Hanger(s): Deny or Allow access Corp Wallet(s): Deny or Allow access Rank/Title System: We don't need any roles for this truly, but being able to Rank is whats needed to organize a great Corp/Clan.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.08.03 23:15:00 - [8] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: I would like Corps support with the ability to choose a side for the Corp over choosing a faction and only being allowed grouping. It looks like will have some form of Corp support. To what is unsure, But we should let CCP know what we would want. Here are the tools I would live with: Recruiting: Allowing members to Hire Corp Mail and Chat: Of course this will be there Corp Hanger(s): Deny or Allow access Corp Wallet(s): Deny or Allow access Rank/Title System: We don't need any roles for this truly, but being able to Rank is whats needed to organize a great Corp/Clan. This I can live with. This is basically all there is to use to succeed. As for title/rank system, I would rather wait as these are not the priority to me. Although it would be nice to have them once things settle.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.04 03:19:00 - [9] - Quote I can go without Titles/Ranks as well as long as the rest is in tact
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 45	Posted - 2012.08.04 05:55:00 - [10] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: TotalBreakage wrote: I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean **. Grouping will be a little better then what is going on now, but it all could end up like MAG where your placed in a faction due to race and thus you can only group with others in that same faction. So Corps that want to form might have to tell everyone to pick the same race for their character to work together. This part worry's me: Quote: or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join But I agree with this Quote:** The entire CSM said that having some sort of corporation at launch of DUST was critical, even if it wasn't the eventual ideal structure. CSM Meet Page 72 Racial restrictions like that wont happen. Corps all through Eve are diverse with the various races. I would highly doubt that they would restrict corporations to having just one race of people...

Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:21:00 - [11] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: Zion Shad wrote: TotalBreakage wrote: I just hope we get any kind of grouping system soon, as long as I get to roll with my corp mates, clan tags don't mean **. Grouping will be a little better then what is going on now, but it all could end up like MAG where your placed in a faction due to race and thus you can only group with others in that same faction. So Corps that want to form might have to tell everyone to pick the same race for their character to work together. This part worry's me: Quote: or they might just have NPC/FW corps for people to join But I agree with this Quote:** The entire CSM said that having some sort of corporation at launch of DUST was critical, even if it wasn't the eventual ideal structure. CSM Meet Page 72 First of all, glad to see you guys taking the initiative on this. Regarding Faction wars, I'm pretty sure you can actually join FW in EVE even if you're going against your own race. You may want to look deeper in to that with EVE, as I doubt they'd stray much from that. The default npc corps are based on your faction of course, but I'm pretty sure you can join FW against your faction, or join a corp that is doing FW against your blood faction. I do know you can do "quests" (missions) that hurt your standing with your blood faction. When you join a faction for warfare with the right standing, you still have to use faction gearsa etc
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:26:00 - [12] - Quote
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:26:00 - [13] - Quote Dalton Smithe wrote: [quote=Zion Shad][quote=TotalBreakage]I Racial restrictions like that wont happen. Corps all through Eve are diverse with the various races. I would highly doubt that they would restrict corporations to having just one race of people... This fact is true about Corps in EVE. However i am not speaking on corp's, but on the possibility of there being no Corps on launch. This is how we would have to structure our forces for those of us that run "Corps" purely off of external means (such as organized by websites and Chat programs) For us to organize without "Corps" we will have to have everyone join the same faction on an individual level. Then use Friend list's for our roster and grouping to organize matches. Joining in Faction Warfare as a Corp the side is chosen by the CEO and member's won't have to worry about doing it themselves. Also from my knowledge of FW, if a corps chooses to enter FW then the factions they have available to them is based on a percentage of their members faction standing as a whole (please correct if wrong and provide link) I am for Corp support due to convenience and had listed the bare bones of what I would need.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:41:00 - [14] - Quote faction warfare (outdated info warning ! There are recent changes to FW see dev blogs). To join a faction warfare each member of the said corp / alliance needs to have a constant faction standing of at least 0.0 to participate for their faction.
Sleepy Zan 5	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:46:00 - [15] - Quote I hope CCP adds player driven corps to the "simple corps" plan in 2012. We already have several corps organizing now in beta: ZionTCD, Betamax, Triton Industries, STB, W.R.A.I.T.H., etc. I'd like to see how these corps interact with each other, while we're still in beta, when it comes to player skill, manpower, and rescources rather then piling people in NPC corps or factions.
Furrow33 21	Posted - 2012.08.04 09:31:00 - [16] - Quote I just dont think itd be smart to wait too long before putting in corp joining. Like Sleepy Zan said with groups already coming together it will need implemented and tested sooner rather than later. Of course it cant go based on race or we'll all be starting new characters so we can try it out.
Osydius Kilvanov 5	Posted - 2012.08.04 13:56:00 - [17] - Quote I just feel there is a need to be able to structure a corp within the game instead of outside; without this then corps could easily become to external from the game for many players. Also it will just generally help with making groups with people and seeing who is/isn't online without filling up your contact list. - ZionTCD
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.04 14:35:00 - [18] - Quote With FW if your standing are good you can join that race and fight for them even if your a different race I expect it to be the same with DUST as a player and also as a corp Simple corps as they have put it seems to be that you are able to form a corp and do the most basic of things, enter a game together, take contracts, hire and fire ppl etc
Counting Wizard Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.08.04 15:18:00 - [19] - Quote I read the twitter link about Betamax posted by David Reid and I really wanted to reply back but didn't because of NDA. CCP is really giving the wrong impression about the state of the beta, because there are no corps right now. Its pretty stupid to call yourself a corp if you can't play together in game. Organizing a corp right now is just a big theory crafting circle jerk and pretty pointless except for trying to talk to people who also play the game.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.04 16:23:00 - [20] - Quote Counting Wizard wrote: I read the twitter link about Betamax posted by David Reid and I really wanted to reply back but didn't because of NDA. CCP is really giving the wrong impression about the state of the beta, because there are no corps right now. Its pretty stupid to call yourself a corp if you can't play together in game. Organizing a corp right now is just a big theory crafting circle jerk and pretty pointless except for trying to talk to people who also play the game. In your crud way your right, but the good news is that CCP dose know we are forming these Corps and also know how important they are to us. Since this post is using outdated information, everyone should assume that Corps are in the work. We just should voice our onions of what we want. Even if its to just let CCP know they are on the right track.

Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.08.04 16:38:00 - [21] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: We just should voice our onions of what we want. Our onions...they shall be voiced! I kid, but seriously, if people start forming corps even without in game support, that really shows CCP that people really want them and they might put it up a little higher on the priority list.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.08.04 17:00:00 - [22] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: Zion Shad wrote: We just should voice our onions of what we want. Our onions...they shall be voiced! I kid, but seriously, if people start forming corps even without in game support, that really shows CCP that people really want them and they might put it up a little higher on the priority list. LOL! Its Onions and not Opinions because we are crying over no grouping yet
Sleepy Zan 5	Posted - 2012.08.04 17:39:00 - [23] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: I kid, but seriously, if people start forming corps even without in game support, that really shows CCP that people really want them and they might put it up a little higher on the priority list. I'm not sure if whether or not we get player ran corps in beta is a matter of what we want as much as it is just ccp taking baby steps into the whole thing. In my opinion, if they do something like FW and only allow individual players to organize in this manner we might as well add ZionShad's ideas in it as well. Zion Shad wrote: Here are the tools I would live with: Recruiting: Allowing members to Hire Corp Mail and Chat: Of course this will be there Corp Hanger(s): Deny or Allow access Corp Wallet(s): Deny or Allow access If we add player ran corps into the "simple corps", in my opinion, we as players as well as ccp can gain more knowledge and feedback before launch without hindering gameplay when this plan comes into effect. There are many corps organizing in the beta right now who are still following a "clan" mentality if we give them these tools while in beta it could give them an idea of what there in for and a better chance of surviving come launch, thus creating a richer environment for new comers when the game launches.


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