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Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:59:00 -
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If there is no direct implementation of Dust planned for launch then why was it brought up at the CSM meeting at all? CCP has told Eve players more about dust than the people testing dust.
So far the excuses I have heard in support of this frankly minimal rollout are:
1: It might break Eve.... uh I don't think so. The amount of isk it will take to fund a merc corp is negligible and would have a real hard time impacting even the lowliest of Eve Corps.
2: CCP feels newbies will be overwhelmed. What?! First of all, way to insult the intelligence of the player base right off the bat. I know I am. Second, since when has CCP ever cared about people immediately understanding anything? The Eve tutorial teaches you just enough to get your ass blown up by pirates. It doesn't teach you about corp management or virtually any of the intricacies of the game. Why should Dust be any different? Is CCP, Sony, and the CSM saying that console players are stupid?
I have read thread after thread by the MAG and CoD players talking about how they can't wait to get involved in hopefully shaking up Eve. The game itself is not good enough on it's own to make them stick around if they can't taste the salty tears of real players.
I am a little tired of hearing that Dust is somehow going to break the Eve economy. I know CCP has an economist, but then I am pretty sure the government of Greece does too. CCP allowed the Goonswarm to try and break the Eve economy during the burn Jita event. They was a tiny rumble in the Eve economy and in the end it actually helped overall. Burn Jita involved trillions of ISK and would be a far larger impact than Dust mercenaries.
I am with Valentine and the others on this one. The less integration there is, the poorer the experience will be for the players of both Dust and Eve. People can only have a carrot dangled in front of their faces for so long before they walk away. FW is not enough to keep them around because it has no real impact on Eve players. |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:10:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:kbm, aim assist, and no clan support.
original mechanics by far... wtg
Kinda makes all those clan recruitment threads in general useless huh? |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:16:00 -
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Great point. I mean if people don't even want to test the beta anymore because they still can't team up, what hope does Dust have after release if corps and clan support are not active right away? |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:36:00 -
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Traynor Youngs wrote:Khal Photo wrote:It's hard to believe that new player would not be able understand EVE corp management. I have played eve for four years. I have managed corps in high sec, null sec, and wormholes. I have been doing corp management for 3 of the 4 years I have played eve. I do not understand Eves corp management system. So yea, new players to DUST will certainly NOT understand the corp management system.
And I am saying it doesn't matter if they understand it or not. If you have played as a corp manager for 3 years and you still don't understand it all that says something right there. First of all you didn't just give up and quit trying. Second, you learned it through trial and error (and likely a little friendly advice), with your big giant human brain. Third, the basic mechanics of corp management must be straightforward enough(they are because I play eve too and help run a corp) to at least get the job done. Fourth, the in depth aspects of corp management are only there to be used if you want to put the time into it. It will make your corp more profitable but it is not strictly necessary for the successful maintenance of a corporation.
I think the fundamental aspects of corporation management are extremely simple (even for a console player who are apparently ********), and there is no reason why they should not be implemented at launch. If the console players are just in it for the pew pew then fine, don't go heavy into your corp management. That's at least a choice we can make rather than having CCP just tell us we aren't ready for it.
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Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:38:00 -
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Mr Funless wrote:I really wouldn't want a DUSTer to have EVE wallet/assets access or a director role. That's a great way of some random console kiddy messing up a corp with trillions of assets.
That's pretty simple then, don't give it to them. |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:40:00 -
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I am sure none of those military contractors like Blackwater ever did any paperwork. They just ran around shooting at people and kind of guessed at the amount of money they should charge.  |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:46:00 -
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Mr Funless wrote:ryan valentine wrote:[quote=Mr Funless]Anyway, my meaning was that a Duster Corp, run from the console doesn't require more than that, at least at launch. Well that makes more sense then. Having EVEs corp management UI in a clean console format is a daunting task itself. If EVE/DUST really are going to share corps eventually, imo the roles should be split. On the EVE side, DUST section should have 1. a separate corp wallet 2. separate director roles (can't touch anything in EVE) This way a DUSTer can't screw up an EVE corp.
And if CCP hasn't thought of this already then all hope is lost. |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:51:00 -
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained. |
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