DUST Search - Any LAV Specialists Out There?

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Rhadiem wrote:

I'll get serious about LAV's when they have a model with a roof.

I've maxed out the tank in them, I've squeezed a Mobile CRU in them, put prototype small launchers on them with damage mods, but in the end when you can be sniped out of your 100k++ LAV by a lucky AR shot, it doesn't matter how many hitpoints or capabilities it has.

The assault buggies are fun to zoom around on and run-n-gun with a gunner, but there's no way I'll follow a tank into a hotzone with one trying to play logistics. I'd be more likely to do it as a ground-skating Eryx pilot than in an LAV.

That said, I see the potential and do recognize them as great ways of getting a bunch of fatties to an objective quickly. But that doesn't require more than a free militia vehicle.

LAV's don't reward tanking, piloting and turret skills nearly as much as Dropships or HAV's do.

Hopefully that will change in upcoming models. Give me an armored Hummvee or a Stryker and I'll be a big LAV fan.

Heck, a protective roof for the driver would make me happy.

The simple problem with your argument is that militia vehicles are not going to stay. There will be no free vehicles.


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Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:41:00 - [1] - Quote I'll get serious about LAV's when they have a model with a roof. I've maxed out the tank in them, I've squeezed a Mobile CRU in them, put prototype small launchers on them with damage mods, but in the end when you can be sniped out of your 100k++ LAV by a lucky AR shot, it doesn't matter how many hitpoints or capabilities it has. The assault buggies are fun to zoom around on and run-n-gun with a gunner, but there's no way I'll follow a tank into a hotzone with one trying to play logistics. I'd be more likely to do it as a ground-skating Eryx pilot than in an LAV. That said, I see the potential and do recognize them as great ways of getting a bunch of fatties to an objective quickly. But that doesn't require more than a free militia vehicle. LAV's don't reward tanking, piloting and turret skills nearly as much as Dropships or HAV's do. Hopefully that will change in upcoming models. Give me an armored Hummvee or a Stryker and I'll be a big LAV fan. Heck, a protective roof for the driver would make me happy.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:53:00 - [2] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Rhadiem wrote: I'll get serious about LAV's when they have a model with a roof. I've maxed out the tank in them, I've squeezed a Mobile CRU in them, put prototype small launchers on them with damage mods, but in the end when you can be sniped out of your 100k++ LAV by a lucky AR shot, it doesn't matter how many hitpoints or capabilities it has. The assault buggies are fun to zoom around on and run-n-gun with a gunner, but there's no way I'll follow a tank into a hotzone with one trying to play logistics. I'd be more likely to do it as a ground-skating Eryx pilot than in an LAV. That said, I see the potential and do recognize them as great ways of getting a bunch of fatties to an objective quickly. But that doesn't require more than a free militia vehicle. LAV's don't reward tanking, piloting and turret skills nearly as much as Dropships or HAV's do. Hopefully that will change in upcoming models. Give me an armored Hummvee or a Stryker and I'll be a big LAV fan. Heck, a protective roof for the driver would make me happy. The simple problem with your argument is that militia vehicles are not going to stay. There will be no free vehicles. That's fine, substitute cheapest possible LAV to train and fit for a Militia vehicle. ;) I don't see how it affects much. LAV's are still too exposed to for most people to invest real isk and SP into. I'm open to hear arguments against this though.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.01 21:58:00 - [3] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Logistic LAV has the big flaw that damage output is reduced. Why is there no attack LAV that has increased damage output? At the moment only T2 tanks have that. Agreed. T2 LAV's and T2 Dropships need an overhaul in capability and functionality.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.01 22:30:00 - [4] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: First of all, the maps will be about 5 times bigger than the current skirmish map at least. In order to effectively move players around, especially when teams are bigger, dropships and lav's will be needed. Not everyone will have AV fittings, since AV items are being reworked and not everyone playing will be beta testers who are inherently interested in the game and will have sp points pumped into all kinds of stuff, meaning LAV's wont pop immediately. In a world where EVERYONE has proto swarms and proto forges cause there are 5 tanks a round, LAV's have a rough time. Corporations who care about winning will effectively use every asset they can get a hold of. Having a fireteam of three or four logi's who can haul ass across the map in a logi LAV for reps or resupplying for anyone that calls on a mic is a great benefit to a team. Dropships wont be in that type of role, sinc ethey will be dropping off squads at objectives and moving them around with fire support. fair enough? Do logi LAV's resupply ammo? I thought they were only reppers. If they do ammo, I can see their use. Otherwise, a cheap dropship not only has "as the crow flies" mobility, making it competitive in speed to a lav for everything but a straight line, (assuming the lav buggies are faster straight line than a dropship) it also could carry more people to those friendlies needing support, and provide 2 guns while it's there. It also protects the pilot, and can equip a remote repper. I agree AV specialists will be less common due to less vehicles, and proto everything won't be there either, but this applies to all vehicles. I'm not saying they're completely useless, but we don't see the US Army driving everyone around in Assault buggies for a reason. They work for specific cases, but in general Hummvees and Strykers provide more support while protecting the most important cargo - the people inside it. The only thing I see beneficial of LAV's the way they are is you don't need to spend much SP to get a cheap vehicle to get you around. If logi LAV's don't resupply ammo, then I see no point in training them up past the initial model, and only then to save a little isk from a cheap dropship. (yes, I know they will all be more expensive) Perhaps we agree to disagree? I'm open to more arguments for them, but aside from cost and cheap SP for the basic model, I'm unconvinced. If logi LAV's do provide ammo, I can see some use in doing it. Personally, I'd just train up nanohives and drop one when I got to the destination in a dropship, but for those uninterested in dropships, I could see it. Again, assuming they resupply ammo.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.02 00:07:00 - [5] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: In competitive corp play, i see dropships being too busy will getting fireteams on objectives to go around doing logi stuff. But then it can go either way cause you can use a logi dropship. It really just depends on how a team wants to use an asset. Having a logi LAV filled with logi suits is easy, just get out, drop a nanohive, and got out of there. I can see this if dropships are really prohibitively expensive, but I regularly do this with my dropship in my type 2 scout suit w/ uplinks and nanos, and it lets me put uplinks at places that infantry can't easily get to. The platform by C for example. But, like you said, it's really up to the pilot/driver and the corp on how they want to do things. i'm still going to request more passenger and especially pilot protection for an added LAV vehicle. ;) LAV's are good.. just need some love to be really practical.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.02 01:00:00 - [6] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: it all depends on the other team as well. If they got a lot of swarmers, then go LAV. if they have a lot of ground forces, go dropship. If your corp is competent, they'll probably have both. very situational. Both will be good as long as the pilot is good. It seems we're both set in our opinions. Cheers.