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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 10:05:00 -
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Yes I know this is just a beta, a fraction of the full game, and its not done, but there are changes/aditions I believe this game would benefit from. I am not demanding, I am merely asking. I would like for these thing to be added in the game at some point, maybe 2013.
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1) JETPACKS: Jetpacks can be balanced, can be useful, and are inherently fun.
[HOW THEY SHOULD WORK]
Jepacks could be equiped on equipment slots: They would be small enough not to have be be delivered by RDV's, the lack of waiting for delivery would make it very handy to have, and not restrict the use of other vehicles by adding to the vehicle limit.
Jetpacks should take 5 or 6 seconds to activate: this will prevent people from using them to cower out of gun battles.
Guns cannot be used while jetpack is active: This will keep them from being overpowered.
There should be high CPU/PG costs: This will prevent everyone from overusing it.
Jetpacks should have very limited climb: This will prevent people from being able to fly up high on top of towers to camp.
Jetpacks flight should be limited by regenerating power system similar to infantry stamina (maybe 15-20 seconds of continuous flight): This will prevent people from being in the air for too long.
Players with active jetpacks should be susceptible to swarm launcher lock-on and fire.
[USEFULNESS]
Jetpacks would be very useful for logistics suits, especially for flying past enemies to plant drop uplinks for his team to spawn, or flying to downed players to revive. Jetpacks shouldn't be too fast so others can still shoot them effectively as they shoot running players; this will keep them for being abused as quick escapes.
Jetpacks would be considerably useful for scouts to get on to of buildings to spot and call out enemy locations for their team, and provide covering fire.
Jetpacks would be useful for general travel on large battlefields if a player needs to travel alone in which extra seats aren't needed. Some might think lone travelers imply lack of teamwork, or lone-wolves, but travelling alone can be useful for the team if the player is acting as a distraction, or sneaking behind enemies to hunt them down (which prevents them from getting to objectives), or to call out their positions.
* Jetpacks don't have to look or even fly like anything like conventional jetpacks. It could even look like a more vertical version of the inertia dampener animation with a different color effect or something.
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2) VISUAL OBSTRUCTION GRENADES
[HOW/WHY]: Basically these would work like smoke grenades. Visually these could look a large bubble like a deployed nanohive, but much bigger. Everything within the bubble becomes very refracted and wavy, making it hard to see those inside. This would be more fitting to the scifi universe of EVE then just a regular smoke grenade. These would be great for hiding fron sniper fire while hacking objectives.
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3) PLASMA BURNER: Aside from the forge guns, and the the upcoming laser rifles, the weapons in this game are pretty generic. More exotic weapons like this would help with this.
[HOW/WHY]: A weapon similar to a flamethrower that does close to mid-range continuous damage, and capable of burning multiple enemies at once. To balance its range, it should have very low damage. It should have a very large magazine to allow it to be used like a light machine gun (a weapon type this game currently lacks). This would be a light weapon, don't like the idea of more weapons being restricted to 1 dropsuit. Great for support, or for dealing with multiple enemies.
* It can look fiery, or electrical. Maybe something in between like this (but please not green, blueish white please)
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4) SHIP BOARDING: Many have suggested this, but people always find flaws. I will attempt to propose a ways that might work. If ship boarding absolutely can't work with real EVE players, make it work with PVE ships, or derilect ships floating in space with resources.
[HOW IT COULD WORK]:
Starts with ship to ship PVP battle between EVE players, and when one of them is severely damaged, the other can deploy an expensive cyberwarfare module to disable the other pilot's neural control over his ships (preventing self-destruct, or escape) that lasts for around 20 minutes. Another module will be deployed to cloak the damaged and disabled ship to prevent others from seeing it and interfering.The ship that deployed the modules puts a contract to hire Dust mercs to invade the ship, and either steal the ship, or just its cargo. The capsuleer of the disabled ship issues a contract to some Dust mercs to defend his ship for 20 minutes until he has control of his ship again. There would need to be some way to allow the damaged ship to escape from the other ship safely if the boarding fails
One EVE ship hires some Dust mercs, and gets a CRU missile. The EVE ship attacks another ship, sufficiently damages it before then firing the CRU missile it into an enemy ship. The CRU missile penetrates the enemy ship. The Dust mercs spawn on the CRU, and disable the self-destruct mechanism of the ship. It takes 5 minutes before the attacking Dust mercs can hack a door or something, giving the attacked ship time to issue a defense contract to some Dust mercs. Defenders protect the ship, attackers try to take it over or loot it on behalf of their contractor.
[WHY]
Greater connection between EVE and Dust.
Greater variety in environment types.
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Ran out of space. aesthetic, alien life PVE requests in below post.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 10:06:00 -
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5) AESTHETIC CHANGES:
[EVE-STYLE CHARACTER CREATION]: Wouldn't have to be as extensive, just give us facial creation, and allow us to walk around in merc quarters and war room without helmets.
[BRING BACK THE OLD GALLENTE ASSAULT RIFLE]: The old Gallente assault rifle (this and this) was beautiful and sleek then the current one. Just replace the current assault rifle gun model with the old one, the grenade launcher would need to be edited out, and the sight of the current assault rifle could be added to it (or not since people don't like it, but I personally like it). I must also say I liked the blueish white muzzle flash of the old assault rifles better.
[BRING BACK THE OLD ASSAULT SUITS](These) they were beautifully angular, and the concept artist who designed them made a much better job at making it look cool, and showing the angular look of Caldari technology. Please replace is old Caldari assault dropsuit models with these.
[HUD SWAY]:
In the earlier builds, the HUD swayed while you moved, and gave a sense of realism. Please add this back, or give an option to have it back.
[DROPSUIT HUDS REFLECTING ORIGINS]: Since dropsuits are manufactured from different corporations and races, it doesn't make sense for them to share the same HUD. It would be nice to have different HUDs with the same elements, but have some stylistic differences; the Logistics dropsuit could have orange HP and ammo gauges, and the gauges could look very tribal.
[MORE RACIAL AESTHETICS]
Merc quarters reflecting race of the character, for example, Caldari merc quarters would be the current one, a Gallente character might get a merc quarters like this, an Amarr merc quarters would look like this, etc.
Aesthetically different melee weapons based on race. Same stats, just different looks. Caldari made nova knife, so they keep it.
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6) PVE AGAINST NATIVE LIFE: I know we are getting PVE against rogue drones, but there is another option for PVE missions as well. We know there are aliens in New Eden, and fighting native life on planets; extraterrestrial encounters is one of the greatest and most exiting aspects in the genre of space scifi. I am not asking for little green men, humanoids, or anything with human-like intelligence, but just animals adapted to their environments. Imagine fightting insect-like animals the size of of an elephant, or creatures similar to dinosaurs.
[HOW/WHY]: You're hired to secure a location, or objective on a planet that happens to have life evolved on it. The mission site is full of hostile and predatory wildlife that you must fend off until the mission is complete. This is pretty simple, but it would offer a much greater variety of PVE enemies besides drones, and this would just be really cool.
* for ideas of plausible aliens based on actual biology click here and here. Here is footage from another game that does something very similar. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:03:00 -
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Dante Brown wrote:There can't be PVE against native life the lore doesn't support it.
This is either the third, or the forth time I had to copy and paste this...
EVE Online aliens I've found online:
http://community.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=may03
http://community.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jan04
http://community.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=apr03
http://community.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jun01
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Achuran_songbird
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Colelian_Spider_Spruce
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dorga_Roes
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Nidupadian_Yorak_Eggs
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:24:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Overall, i like your suggestion as they would make the game more complete.
But seriously, hell no to jetpacks. Logi needs a ride to get behind ennemy lines ? Request a ride from a pilot using its Dropship with cloak module.
Jetpacks are way too dangerous in terms of exploit gameplay and ruining teamplay imo.
Can you be a bit more specific? I have only played 2 shooters with jetpacks:
1_ Section 8 Prejudice, everyone has them built in, its pretty balanced, no problems,
2_ Killzone 3. Spawns on map, you have to pick it up, it doesn't have nearly as many limits as I'm proposing for jetpacks, yet it doesn't feel close to overpowered even though it has a built in machinegun with unlimited ammo.
The jetpacks I'm suggesting wouldn't even let you use weapons, take long to activate, have limited flight time, limited climb, easily locked on and destroyed with swarm launchers, and can't provide nearly enough climb to reach the top of a tower. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:48:00 -
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Nate Silverley wrote:
Love the jetpack idea, but not the long activation time GÇö so much can happen within 5 seconds in a shooter. If there's going to be jetpacks in this customization-oriented game then let it rip. Climbing on top of things should be the reason to get Jetpacks in the first place GÇö maps just have to take this notion in account.
Just put some compromise in the way people sort out their personalized jetpack builds: longer flight time modules vs. higher PG cost, and higher altitude modules vs. PG cost. It will keep Mercs from being overpowered while still retaining an interesting jetpack advantage.
Customization, or variety is good. I like the idea of different jetpacks with different strengths and weaknesses.
5 seconds is survivable if you're behind good cover, or at a spawn point when not being camped. I suppose it doesn't have to be that long, but I want to be safe and make the idea of a jetpack non-threatening to those inclined not to like it.
I want jetpacks to be able to climb on to of things like buildings and stuff, just not so high that they could reach those really high towers that dropships use to camp. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:56:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:I like the jetpack idea but the alien idea is not good cause I had enough with aliens they are irritating
They would be just animals basically, just evolved differently then the ones on Earth. They wouldn't be like Halo aliens or something like that. Keep in mind it would be completely optional. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:23:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:No to jetpacks to easy to abuse.
Can you give specific examples of abuses that could happen even with jetpacks even with the constraints i proposed? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:23:00 -
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Anyone have opinions, anything to add, or any concerns regarding a plasma-thrower LMG? the visual obstruction grenade? or the aesthetic suggestions?
Any other ideas regarding how ship boarding could work? I'm not an EVE player so my ideas on how to make it work probably aren't the best,
Any specific examples of possible jetpack exploits with my limitations? |
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:37:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:No matter how much restrictions you add to those jetpacks, to me they're just not serious type of equipment. Especially if you make them with so many restrictions that they become more or less useless. BUT, if you dont do so, you get over powered equipment. Full team of jetpacks, jumping from vantage point to vantage point. Full team going "invisible dropship" style, so high you can't aim and then dropping altogether and landing with dampers.
Ne seriously, jetpacks is a bad idea. If it's actually usefull, it's kinda OP and boring as hell. If it's not, then why bother.
To me, it's like suggestion of adding swords (....), rollerblade or flame throwers...
Kind of hard to take such an argument seriously; "its always OP or totally useless" with no middle ground, and not "serious" enough" even though there would be real useful applications.
Any team dumb enough to go full jetpack would be simply fail, and easily countered by just one squad of swarm launchers, they would need to be wearing weak logistics suits to be able to carry other equipment. They wouldn't have nearly as much HP, as much climb, and no gunners (or be able to use their own guns for that matter). It wouldn't be useless either since being used like a dropship was never its intended purpose, the intended purpose is simply personal transport with enough climb to get on top of a building (and not on top of towers).
Having an entire team with a dropship for each squad, and everyone on that team was inside one, it would still be far more dangerous than an entire team of jetpackers, even without my limits, yet I don't hear you saying dropships should be removed.
The flamethrower example as well, its only OP if the stats are such that it makes the weapon OP, its just numbers in a machine; yet you say its either always OP. If you replaced the bullet graphics of a shotgun or SMG with fire (making it a flamethrower), it wouldn't magically turn OP. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.06 05:54:00 -
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Velvet Overkill wrote:All of of these are outstanding. Since jetpacks don't have much backing, why not just have grappling hooks? With the same restrictions?
I guess grapling hooks would be cool, but its hard to imagine a scifi grapling hook... maybe tagging a location, and using some some of device generating a force that pulls you to the tagged location, but I would really rather have jetpacks, and would be kind of weird for horizontal travel.
I would really appreciate more comments regarding the PVE against native animals.
I rewatched The Matrix trology and, and the lightning gun used by the the freed people of Zion would be a great plasma burner LMG, lightning is indeed plasma. http://thecomicking.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/matrix-revolutions-electric-defense-gun.jpg |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.06 23:28:00 -
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Traynor Youngs wrote:
Alien PvE: They have confirmed that there will be PvE against rogue drones. Probably not against organic life though since we are wielding weapons that if we weren't shielded inside powered suits would rip our bodies apart from the power...I am not sure that a pack of wild dogs would concern us much.
You make good points, though I want to comment on this specifically. What if a PVE planet was protected by some law because of its massive level of biodiversity and sheer volume of life making it seen as a something to be treasured? The law would forbid the use of regular Dust weaponry/dropsuits (which are way OP against unprotected organic life), and only allow the bare minimum of defensive weapons and suits needed for survival (which would be super-nerfed versions of militia stuff) so the damage would not be 1-hit kill, and the mecs would still be vulnerable to attack; this law could be in place as a way to give organic life a fighting chance against humans. I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but basically I think it might still work, especially with the right lore. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:00:00 -
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Kincate wrote:A thought occured to me when I read the part about alien life. Call in attack slaver hounds like CoD3 lol.
Seriously though mostly good suggestions. Ship boarding probrably isnt going to happen for a long time but if it does I like the idea of cloaking the ship so it cant be interfeared with. Im of the mind of no jetpacks though, if only because it would just go one step further to eliminateing the usfulness of dropships.
Dropship is far more heavily defended, has gunners, carries an entire squad, has indefinite flight, great climb, and can act as a mobile spawn point, so I don't think jetpacks would steal the dropship's niche. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:06:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:as much as i'd love to see jetpacks is it really feasable to shoehorn them into a game at this stage?
Well the game will be getting continuous free expansions, like mechs (called MTACs) and hostile types of planets like lava planets, so its in the realm of possibility, even if its a year or two after release. |
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:37:00 -
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Aside from players using downgraded gear to make animals more dangerous by comparison, genetic engineering might also be an option for having animals powerful enough to pose a serious threat. just like there will be rogue drones, there could be infestations of rogue genetically engineered animals. The sheer scale of some animals, or their stealthy speed could also be used to overcome superior firepower. |
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