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MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:33:00 -
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I'm not sure what to make of your policy.
Looks like you favor assault suit players, and will only replace 1 proto suit per twelve matches but only if its a win?
I'm sure I'm reading it wrong maybe you could summarize a 12 game scenario based on this to help clear it up. |
MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 01:49:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:MR-NASTY wrote:I'm not sure what to make of your policy.
Looks like you favor assault suit players, and will only replace 1 proto suit per twelve matches but only if its a win?
I'm sure I'm reading it wrong maybe you could summarize a 12 game scenario based on this to help clear it up. sure no problem. The reason why assault suits have a higher maximum compensation amount is because assaults and heavies are most likely going to be right in the fray, while scouts and logistics, due to the nature of how the roles play, not so much, and commanders, well you get the idea. Obviously these numbers can change with new builds, but i dont see them changing very much fro where they are. basically think of AE as your KD with a particular suit. At each tier of AE, you qualify for differing amounts of compensation PER ROUND and will have all your fitting losses covered each round until you reach your highest earned maximum compensation amount or you have been fully compensated for your losses. Basically, say you die 5 times as an assault suit in an official STB match. As long as you qualify for that much compensation according to your AE on the chart, you will get all 5 of those fits reimbursed.
So if I'm hearing you correctly a person would get a 100 of their investment in the corporate battle back as long as their AE is in the percentage range. Can you make an example in real battle terms?
Or if we loose I loose my investment in suits for the battle, but the maximum I can make is the investment or break even? |
MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:00:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Say you are a marauder pilot like i am.
you play 10 official contracted matches with STB. out of those ten matches, you lose a total of 4 marauders.
4/10=0.4
with that AE score you will see that you qualify for 100% reimbursement of marauder losses in EACH round you play in, up to a maximum of two marauders.
Say in a later round you lost 3 marauders in one round. You would only be reimbursed the 2 marauders at the end of the round, as that is the maximum compensation. That is as long as those losses dont somehow put you into a lower bracket where you would not qualify for the maximum anymore. Then you would only receive 1, or in worse cases 0.
So what is the incintive if we win just simple reimbursement of what we spent. And if a player got worked over in a few matches he would be in debt.
I'm sure I'm missing something. |
MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:30:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:MR-NASTY wrote:[quote=Lurchasaurus]Say you are a marauder pilot like i am.
you play 10 official contracted matches with STB. out of those ten matches, you lose a total of 4 marauders.
4/10=0.4
with that AE score you will see that you qualify for 100% reimbursement of marauder losses in EACH round you play in, up to a maximum of two marauders.
Say in a later round you lost 3 marauders in one round. You would only be reimbursed the 2 marauders at the end of the round, as that is the maximum compensation. That is as long as those losses dont somehow put you into a lower bracket where you would not qualify for the maximum anymore. Then you would only receive 1, or in worse cases 0. So what is the incintive if we win just simple reimbursement of what we spent. And if a player got worked over in a few matches he would be in debt. I'm sure I'm missing something.
Ahem...
well, some of your comments should answer themselves.....the incentive is winning. That is your payday. We win, we get big contracts. Insurance allows you to fight without worrying about your costs as long as you perform adequately. The numbers also protect STB from having to dish out money to underperforming or undedicated members.
Well I think I understand it now your mostly concerned about not paying lousy players. However winning for its sake doesn't pay the bills. I'm sure there is a profit sharing system you will put in place for your outstanding mercs.
I'm just not sure it makes sense. It at game 9 you have exceeded your proto suit or tank allotment for you 12 matches with a winning record why would you still play in good gear or tanks that were not going to be reimbursed win or loose. Setting up a 3 game possible loss.
I would hope that your good mercs get a share of the profit, because this is designed to make them go broke quickly if they under perform in a few matches
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MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.07.31 02:45:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:MR-NASTY wrote:I'm just not sure it makes sense. It at game 9 you have exceeded your proto suit or tank allotment for you 12 matches with a winning record why would you still play in good gear or tanks that were not going to be reimbursed win or loose. Setting up a 3 game possible loss.
I would hope that your good mercs get a share of the profit, because this is designed to make them go broke quickly if they under perform in a few matches
you misunderstand the numbers. it is on a per round basis at the moment(not official yet, this is a framework) think of it as your KD with a fitting determines how much you can receive each round, which will be all you losses unless you have exceeded the maximum. If you qualify, you can receive the maximum each round.
Thank you it is becoming clearer, however I would be concerned that limits would be placed on individual mercs to not spawn that 3rd tank or proto suit, which in that one battle may have made the difference. Especially if 3 or 4 mercs had that concern too,
The policy may be the reason you end up loosing that match because your team was too cautious in spawning the proto gear. I understand its a work in progress, but this may need to be re examined. Yes we would all like to say I will only need 1 proto suit to make it through the whole game. But I would rather play next to the guy who wears proto suit next to me and we hold an objective the whole match as too bad ass heavys with a spawn up link and we both go 18 an 18 but never lost our objective. |
MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.07.31 03:16:00 -
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Ire's thug wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Say you are a marauder pilot like i am.
Ahem...
well, some of your comments should answer themselves.....the incentive is winning. That is your payday. We win, we get big contracts. Insurance allows you to fight without worrying about your costs as long as you perform adequately. The numbers also protect STB from having to dish out money to underperforming or undedicated members. Pfft!! another pyramid scheme FOR SURE! Where are you getting these "big contracts" from????? TELL ME!
My only concern is that even if you did great the most you will get paid is break even. A contract written with only the corp in mind not the soldiers. |
MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 12:59:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:MR-NASTY wrote:Ire's thug wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Say you are a marauder pilot like i am.
Ahem...
well, some of your comments should answer themselves.....the incentive is winning. That is your payday. We win, we get big contracts. Insurance allows you to fight without worrying about your costs as long as you perform adequately. The numbers also protect STB from having to dish out money to underperforming or undedicated members. Pfft!! another pyramid scheme FOR SURE! Where are you getting these "big contracts" from????? TELL ME! My only concern is that even if you did great the most you will get paid is break even. A contract written with only the corp in mind not the soldiers. this policy has nothing to do with how the corp pays its members. This is completely separate bud. As far as ive been told this is only a way to ease the burden of the members between official fights. If you wanna know how payments are gonna be, feel free to ask quickgloves on the STB thread. does that change things? it sounds like you thought this was how we were gonna be paying our members, which i have no say in.
If this is not how you pay your metcs what is the point in having insurance?
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MR-NASTY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.07.31 20:24:00 -
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STB-Quickgloves EV wrote:
Ahem...
well, some of your comments should answer themselves.....the incentive is winning. That is your payday. We win, we get big contracts. Insurance allows you to fight without worrying about your costs as long as you perform adequately. The numbers also protect STB from having to dish out money to underperforming or undedicated members.
Pfft!! another pyramid scheme FOR SURE!
Where are you getting these "big contracts" from????? TELL ME![/quote]
My only concern is that even if you did great the most you will get paid is break even. A contract written with only the corp in mind not the soldiers.[/quote]
Please allow me to clarifiy the situation.
As we progress into our builds throughout this beta we have determined a specific cost of living so far. Knowingly we are achieving some 4x's the expected S/p an Isk earned in matches. We intend as a corp to be competitive in corp battles an the highly anticipated arean matches. The insurance policy is set forth to calm mercs an make the droiing in a 4-5th proto suit or "sagi" into the game without worring about the cost. STB player Payroll is a completely differnet topic this insuracne policy will cover cost of living for players that meet the standereds. The Payroll will consist of profit sharing an bonus achieved for SOV an Win/loss or contracts awarded. A MERC in STB that holds high W/L High SOV an recieves a bid for high contracts will b entitled to more then a non-motivated merc, but ALL STB WILL BE ENTITILED TO A PIECE OF THE PIE. WE are a family an take care of our own
An to quote these topics are framework an have not been finialized by STB upper-managment
Me bieng the CEO i intend to propose these on Sunday August 5th to the board
Feel free to message me if you have more questions in the stb thread to avoid spamming thank you sincerly
BABY JESUS
[/quote] I'm glad to hear this it make a bit more sense than the insurance policy, according to lurch a player is only there to help you win but can only break even at a perfect scenerio. And receive no loot above and beyond for winning.
I'm glad to hear this makes more sense than the insurance policy.
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