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Crimson MoonV
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:56:00 -
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Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:You ladies are objective players support!!!
What i am saying is that kdr is not more important then everything This is why.
You can not win a objective game sololy on kdr but you can get slaughtered and still win if you hold the objectives
you never take out vehicles cause thay would mean hurting your kdr. so you are willing to let the rest of your team get curb stomped if it means keeping a good kdr. a objective player will take out that vehicle so he can hack the point.
you will choose getting kills which leads you away from objectives so you either not defending it or capturing it when needed. objective player will secure capture and defend.
Yes you do make life easier for holding objectives. but really that is just a support role in objective games.
You increase the chances of winning. but without objective players you would never win.
so objective/support role players are actually the best. Wow.
This stereotype that killers can't hold an objective and kill everyone is so ******* dumb. You can't take an objective without killing people. fact
Killers with teamwork>circle holders with teamwork. Everyday all day. You can try and run as many different tactics as you want. When you are outplayed you are outplayed.
Killers are more important. A logi guy with a 5 kdr> A logi guy with a 1 kdr. I don't underestimate anyone but I have played enough FPS to now what works. Killers>cirlce holders. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:23:00 -
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Ayures0 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Wow.
This stereotype that killers can't hold an objective and kill everyone is so ******* dumb. You can't take an objective without killing people. fact
Killers with teamwork>circle holders with teamwork. Everyday all day. You can try and run as many different tactics as you want. When you are outplayed you are outplayed.
Killers are more important. A logi guy with a 5 kdr> A logi guy with a 1 kdr. I don't underestimate anyone but I have played enough FPS to now what works. Killers>cirlce holders. Yes, let's all run around like chickens with our heads cut off to try to get as many kills as possible and abandon our objectives so the enemy can flank us and take them. Way to miss the point.
My point was killers with teamwork>circle holders with teamwork. The stereotype that killers don't ever take objectives is false. People just try to justify being bad at fps by holding an objective. In competitive corp battle you will see what I mean. The team with the better killers/teamwork will win. If everyone in my corp has a 5.0 kdr then that means all my logi guys can kill and heal. They are not just useless cannon fodder that will run around healing people and dieing all the time.
I love how you people troll without even really understanding whats being said. Grow up.
Back in the day of the international mag champoinship, one squad of team USA beat 3 squads of PRO on defense. Sure they had tactics/teamwork and they were using it but we had the killers so we won.
No amount of teamwork will stop elite killers that are working together, if the other team can't match them in skill. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:28:00 -
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Ayures0 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Way to miss the point.
My point was killers with teamwork>circle holders with teamwork. The stereotype that killers don't ever take objectives is false. People just try to justify being bad at fps by holding an objective. In competitive corp battle you will see what I mean. The team with the better killers/teamwork will win. If everyone in my corp has a 5.0 kdr then that means all my logi guys can kill and heal. They are not just useless cannon fodder that will run around healing people and dieing all the time.
I love how you people troll without even really understanding whats being said. Grow up.
Back in the day of the international mag champoinship, one squad of team USA beat 3 squads of PRO on defense. Sure they had tactics/teamwork and they were using it but we had the killers so we won.
No amount of teamwork will stop elite killers if the other team can't match them in skill. So we should never attempt to keep an objective when we take it? Not sure if stupid or trolling.
Let me rephrase it for the simple minded.
People try and justify being bad at fps by claiming support role. Support doesn't have to suck at fps. I want that 5.0 kdr logi guy watching my back and holding objectives rather then the logi guy that holds objectives and heals because he can't kill anyone.
I will be playing logi next build to prove to people that a great logi player can kill and heal. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:42:00 -
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Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:Never said killers do not help or even do objectives. every once in awhile they will but if a killer might hurt his kdr he avoid them then. killers do not win games circle holders do. Unless your playing amnush. i do hold 3.5 kdr but when a circle holding oppertunity appears i go for it. And then get back to killing as i keep it secure. support build players are more likely capt that objective then pass it by.
Yes killers are important and make winning the game more possible but in the end circle holders are what win the game and are willing to get killed if they know it gets them there.
A good circle holder always clears objectives then capts or they are great at knowing when they can cap without the enemy noticing before it is to late.
So yes you are just support to the circle holder in the end. Do you play logi? If not then you shouldn't be talking. You have a 3.5 kdr? Then you are a killer that holds the objective as well. You just proved my point.
circle holders that can't kill are cannon fodder. Killers that hold circle are good players. Killers that don't take objectives are tryhards.
Its not killers vs circle holders. Its good players vs tryhards.
Killers that do not tryhard and go for objectives>circle holders that can't kill anyone.
Not every killer is a tryhard.
Not every logi/circle holder is a terrible killer.
Break the mold people. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:00:00 -
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Ayures0 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Not every logi/circle holder is a terrible killer. If a logi player wants to be able to give good support, he's going to be a terrible killer. We can't have a strong enough weapon as well as a strong enough tank to go head-to-head with the enemy while still being able to give good support. We stay behind cover, throw nanohives/uplinks, rep, and revive (well, we will once we get the injector fix). Claiming that we're not as good at our role as you are at yours because maybe we go 3/5 instead of 22/0 is bullshit. Hell, some of my deaths are just because I'm distracting a tank or a turret so someone can get a good shot at it. Exuses ftw
I have seen a logi guys get 7.0 kdr while still running around dropping nanohives and healing me after gun fights.
I have even met logi guys that have gave me a hard time in my full proto gear.
Any more exuses?
LOL 3/5 |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:08:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote: People just try to justify being bad at fps by holding an objective. Pfff, I know right, what loser would try to win an objective based game by holding an objective? I already rephrased that for the simple minded. Read before you post. Thx
Ayures, just wait until you get K/BM and a prototype logi suit. Its a beast. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:23:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote: People just try to justify being bad at fps by holding an objective. Pfff, I know right, what loser would try to win an objective based game by holding an objective? I already rephrased that for the simple minded. Read before you post. Thx Ayures, just wait until you get K/BM and a prototype logi suit. Its a beast. I did, you said exactly the same thing; "If you don't have a high kdr, you suck at fps". And I'm saying there's more to this game than that. If you can't kill anyone its gonna be really hard to take any objective. I'm sorry if I came off as an elitist *******. That wasn't my intentions.
Getting a good KDR as a logi player does show how good you are at the game. Getting a bad KD but helping out the team is cool and all. You did your job. You would be much more effective as a logi player that knows how to kill well though.
Nothing against people with low KDRs. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.30 21:28:00 -
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Just because we have difference in opinion doesn't mean I don't <3 you. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 09:08:00 -
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Ourors wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:
Killers with teamwork>circle holders with teamwork. Everyday all day. You can try and run as many different tactics as you want. When you are outplayed you are outplayed.
you're going to be extremely surprised when actual corp battles come into play, and good teams keep in tight-knit groups and specifically target "killers" as you say. three dudes firing on one dude will result in that one dude going down too fast to actually get anything close to a positive kdr. numbers rule in these kinds of situations but in an unorganized game like how dust is now? yeah, high kdr folks can do well both with objectives and kills Who says killers can't move in tight nit groups?
I have to ask you... Have you even been in a competitive clan/corp battle in fps of any kind?
Someone asked me how I take an objective? I kill everyone on the objective hold circle and then I shut down the spawn until I get the hack... |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 09:26:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:in the end i can see alot of CoD and MaG gamers giving up when they run out of isk when the players of eve start to make there drop suits HOPE YOU ALL LIKE PAYING FOR EVERY THING IN Mill,s OF ISK ! HAHAHAHAHA ! Most corps already have alliances formed within eve that are willing to throw plenty of isk at them. So this won't be a problem. |
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.31 09:33:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:in the end i can see alot of CoD and MaG gamers giving up when they run out of isk when the players of eve start to make there drop suits HOPE YOU ALL LIKE PAYING FOR EVERY THING IN Mill,s OF ISK ! HAHAHAHAHA ! Most corps already have alliances formed within eve that are willing to throw plenty of isk at them. So this won't be a problem. Most corps already have alliances formed yet most i talk to are corps and alliances in hi sce ......Ooooooooooooooooooooooo Who cares dude its just beta. There isn't even proper corps yet. Get over yourself.
Nite-times>bad furry. |
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