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Trouble Man Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.07.30 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote Dust world, what's gud? Does anyone else find that keeping your Dropsuit up and running for battle is really hard? I can't even imagine the millions of ISK that I've spent just on replenishing things in my dropsuit! (I'm and Assault Suit type of guy) so I use Assault Rifles lvl 5 with Assault Rifle Proficiency lvl 1, lvl 4 Submachine gun, Basic Shield Extender and Recharger Basic Biotic thing(I can't remember the name but it's blue), Enhanced CPU, Lvl 4 Drop uplink, Basic Armor Repairer, and I have a Assault A-Series Dropsuit, lvl 4. Overall these items cost me a fortune! Especially the Dropsuit, that's over 13 000 alone! Add the cost of the other items in the suit, and I lose at least a million just stocking up to 30 and beyond! Will the pricing for these go down eventually, or will it be up to a Merc to fight hard and just earn his pay for a mission?
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.30 19:35:00 - [2] - Quote My advice to you? SImple -- pen, pencil, pad of paper, and a calculator. Works wonders. I keep it on hand at all times, even just when I need to see what the numbers will be. spread sheets work too, but it can be a hassle at times depending. Laptop, desktop, ultrabook, netbook. Tablets? I do not have a tablet, but you could use that too. Ha-ha. Still. it's not hard to keep track of your assets. If you have to slow down and gather yourself then that is okay. As for the prices of items, euipment and gear? Sorry to say, but most likely when the market goes live you'll notice that most market items will go up in prices especially most proto gear. You'll probably want to stick with BPO's as much as possible once we do not have four hundred times above average accelerated ISK, and skill point acquisition in place anymore. Plus it may be at least a year before we see any real number of proto players. The only ones I expect to see achieve it are those that skill soley in a specific dropsuit, and power play through the game like they have no life outside of Dust. Which is good because, it makes everything relevent, and necessary.
Agnoeo Jedi Knights. 35	Posted - 2012.07.30 19:37:00 - [3] - Quote I haven't had much of an issue and actually have more than I need in isk. I go a little on the cheaper end and just hope my skill can counter for it. It's not always about having the best equipment, though it doesn't hurt. I try to mess around with both the heavy assault gun, and forge gun for AV. When I go to AR to capture objectives its a cheap load-out. I just try to be smart and use my cheap suits when I know there's a good chance I'm running a suicide mission to an objective or something. But you have to know when your going to need an expensive loadout. Though is your SMG and drop up links really cost efficient when your not using them every loadout and lose those every time you die? I would suggest trying making a couple different loadouts for different scenarios and play it out with that. SMGs are good for snipers, but with an AR the only benefit is the switch over instead of reloading. With that, I'd just go with a cheaper SMG sense its already your "Oh ****" backup gun. It'll save you in the long run.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.07.30 19:37:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah I already leanred how to budget, I only use 1 proto suit a match to keep in the green. Then again when I go for K/D/O sprees I typically cause so much damage that I stay green.
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.07.30 19:54:00 - [5] - Quote Having issues with supplies? Not at all. I've got over 6m isk and only spend at most 150k isk per match. Maybe you should just use what you can afford to loose instead of going for the best isk can afford since it's apparent that you can't afford it.
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:05:00 - [6] - Quote Lol, you can make different tier suits you know... its not like you HAVE to have just one suit and constantly throw your money into it. You can make a cheapo depot suit with a nice rifle, and then from there make more suits that impact different areas of gameplay. You can have your souped up super suit, but theres a right time for everyhing. Besides, you could just save up your really nice suits and tell yourself you will use them once you've reached a certain amount.. like a reward, plus you'll have better discipline with your tactics because of your handicap. I really do not give out advice...
Ayures0 259	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote I haven't dipped into proto loadouts yet (been busy messing around with all kinds of other stuff). Once the next patch hits and logi gets fixed, I'll be sure to hit you all with a few nanite injectors to keep you from going broke.
VigSniper101 204	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:15:00 - [8] - Quote Nope.....after every few battles l restock all 3 fittings to 50[Scout,Heavy,Assault], and still have around 8Million ISK. Actually started to create my own LAV to spend up some of my money. I average around 5 deaths a game and make around 150k per match....and my k/d is like 0.7, so l turn a profit every match even thou lm an average player.
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:19:00 - [9] - Quote I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit.
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:20:00 - [10] - Quote Nope but then again the suits I use are usually just above the militia ones.

Ayures0 259	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:20:00 - [11] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit. I'm guessing it also depends on whether your team wins or loses, too.
VigSniper101 204	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:21:00 - [12] - Quote Ayures0 wrote: Garma QUDA wrote: I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit. I'm guessing it also depends on whether your team wins or loses, too. Im kinda hoping that by the time of full release, you will be payed by your job performance...not that you showed up.
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote VigSniper101 wrote: Ayures0 wrote: Garma QUDA wrote: I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit. I'm guessing it also depends on whether your team wins or loses, too. Im kinda hoping that by the time of full release, you will be payed by your job performance...not that you showed up. You already do, but it seems that its just a base amount so players get something out of the match if not anything else
VigSniper101 204	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:25:00 - [14] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: VigSniper101 wrote: Ayures0 wrote: Garma QUDA wrote: I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit. I'm guessing it also depends on whether your team wins or loses, too. Im kinda hoping that by the time of full release, you will be payed by your job performance...not that you showed up. You already do, but it seems that its just a base amount so players get something out of the match if not anything else Arh, that explains the jumps between 100k for making a cameo upto 400k for conquering the entire planet single handed:)
Ayures0 259	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:25:00 - [15] - Quote VigSniper101 wrote: Ayures0 wrote: Garma QUDA wrote: I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit. I'm guessing it also depends on whether your team wins or loses, too. Im kinda hoping that by the time of full release, you will be payed by your job performance...not that you showed up. If that's done, then I hope doing support roles nets more war points. +15 for reps & uplink spawns, +20 for revives, and +25 for structure/vehicle reps takes a while to add up. Then again, we haven't seen the logi fixes coming with next patch and I've a feeling I'll be using a lot more nanite injectors (though I've only managed to use one once so...).
VigSniper101 204	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:27:00 - [16] - Quote Ayures0 wrote: VigSniper101 wrote: Ayures0 wrote: Garma QUDA wrote: I wanted to test out a theory I had and just sat through a whole game in the spawn, listend to music, and chatted at coms. You make 100k+ regardless if you do anything. You dont however, get any skill points. This also works for joining a match when the game is at the final scoreboard. You can come in at any time and just have done nothing and still profit. I'm guessing it also depends on whether your team wins or loses, too. Im kinda hoping that by the time of full release, you will be payed by your job performance...not that you showed up. If that's done, then I hope doing support roles nets more war points. +15 for reps & uplink spawns, +20 for revives, and +25 for structure/vehicle reps takes a while to add up. Then again, we haven't seen the logi fixes coming with next patch and I've a feeling I'll be using a lot more nanite injectors (though I've only managed to use one once so...). Gets my vote, every role from frontline to support should be appreciated with both SP and ISK.
Trouble Man Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.07.30 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote Thanks alot for your tips and ideas on my problem! I'll be sure to make dropsuits themed to a different situations in game, and try working on my overall skill, not just the fancy and proto gear (although it is always nice to have :P) Thanks!
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:10:00 - [18] - Quote Truthfully, at the moment i DONT find it hard to maintain my dropsuits at all. I essentially memorized a base price of what each suit costs and by playing i know whether i can/should use a certain suit at a certain point Ex: i died 2x using my 15k setup, but still had 5 plus kills. Figuring i wa doing good(as only died by dropships) i went for my proto setup which costs 75k, i ended up putting 18 kills with it before a 5ank killed me, i endd up that game at like 27-3, and my setups cost me rougly 100k, but my total income recvied was 475k, so i still profitted 375k , it really comes down to matchs, how you are playing, and who you are playing against. As most games if i dont notice anyone big in the game ill start with my 25k setup, but if i see people like zitro or jenza ill run cheaper stuff as i figur ill be taking a good share of deaths that game
EVICER 63	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:17:00 - [19] - Quote Trouble Man wrote: Dust world, what's gud? Does anyone else find that keeping your Dropsuit up and running for battle is really hard? I can't even imagine the millions of ISK that I've spent just on replenishing things in my dropsuit! (I'm and Assault Suit type of guy) so I use Assault Rifles lvl 5 with Assault Rifle Proficiency lvl 1, lvl 4 Submachine gun, Basic Shield Extender and Recharger Basic Biotic thing(I can't remember the name but it's blue), Enhanced CPU, Lvl 4 Drop uplink, Basic Armor Repairer, and I have a Assault A-Series Dropsuit, lvl 4. Overall these items cost me a fortune! Especially the Dropsuit, that's over 13 000 alone! Add the cost of the other items in the suit, and I lose at least a million just stocking up to 30 and beyond! Will the pricing for these go down eventually, or will it be up to a Merc to fight hard and just earn his pay for a mission? Everyone complains about the vehicles.....but combine that with 186,913 ISK dropship....yeah But thats the name of the game.
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.31 00:42:00 - [20] - Quote Trouble Man wrote: Thanks alot for your tips and ideas on my problem! I'll be sure to make dropsuits themed to a different situations in game, and try working on my overall skill, not just the fancy and proto gear (although it is always nice to have :P) Thanks! No problemo, thanks for listening :)

Ludwig Van HeadShotin 118	Posted - 2012.07.31 01:32:00 - [21] - Quote Trouble Man wrote: Dust world, what's gud? Does anyone else find that keeping your Dropsuit up and running for battle is really hard? I can't even imagine the millions of ISK that I've spent just on replenishing things in my dropsuit! (I'm and Assault Suit type of guy) so I use Assault Rifles lvl 5 with Assault Rifle Proficiency lvl 1, lvl 4 Submachine gun, Basic Shield Extender and Recharger Basic Biotic thing(I can't remember the name but it's blue), Enhanced CPU, Lvl 4 Drop uplink, Basic Armor Repairer, and I have a Assault A-Series Dropsuit, lvl 4. Overall these items cost me a fortune! Especially the Dropsuit, that's over 13 000 alone! Add the cost of the other items in the suit, and I lose at least a million just stocking up to 30 and beyond! Will the pricing for these go down eventually, or will it be up to a Merc to fight hard and just earn his pay for a mission? I don't have to worry about isk, I go 40-1, 29-0, 45-2. And I almost always make more than I lose, and I use a proto assualt, It depends on how you use your suit i suppose.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.07.31 02:02:00 - [22] - Quote Sounds like you need to start running around with militia gear to learn how to get lots of kills on the cheap.
C FOR CORRUPTiON 3	Posted - 2012.07.31 02:04:00 - [23] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: My advice to you? SImple -- pen, pencil, pad of paper, and a calculator. Works wonders. I keep it on hand at all times, even just when I need to see what the numbers will be. spread sheets work too, but it can be a hassle at times depending. Laptop, desktop, ultrabook, netbook. Tablets? I do not have a tablet, but you could use that too. Ha-ha. Still. it's not hard to keep track of your assets. If you have to slow down and gather yourself then that is okay. As for the prices of items, euipment and gear? Sorry to say, but most likely when the market goes live you'll notice that most market items will go up in prices especially most proto gear. You'll probably want to stick with BPO's as much as possible once we do not have four hundred times above average accelerated ISK, and skill point acquisition in place anymore. Plus it may be at least a year before we see any real number of proto players. The only ones I expect to see achieve it are those that skill soley in a specific dropsuit, and power play through the game like they have no life outside of Dust. Which is good because, it makes everything relevent, and necessary. NERD
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 02:05:00 - [24] - Quote Ludwig Van HeadShotin wrote: Trouble Man wrote: Dust world, what's gud? Does anyone else find that keeping your Dropsuit up and running for battle is really hard? I can't even imagine the millions of ISK that I've spent just on replenishing things in my dropsuit! (I'm and Assault Suit type of guy) so I use Assault Rifles lvl 5 with Assault Rifle Proficiency lvl 1, lvl 4 Submachine gun, Basic Shield Extender and Recharger Basic Biotic thing(I can't remember the name but it's blue), Enhanced CPU, Lvl 4 Drop uplink, Basic Armor Repairer, and I have a Assault A-Series Dropsuit, lvl 4. Overall these items cost me a fortune! Especially the Dropsuit, that's over 13 000 alone! Add the cost of the other items in the suit, and I lose at least a million just stocking up to 30 and beyond! Will the pricing for these go down eventually, or will it be up to a Merc to fight hard and just earn his pay for a mission? I don't have to worry about isk, I go 40-1, 29-0, 45-2. And I almost always make more than I lose, and I use a proto assualt, It depends on how you use your suit i suppose. Never seen you go over 30
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:05:00 - [25] - Quote Trouble Man wrote: Dust world, what's gud? Does anyone else find that keeping your Dropsuit up and running for battle is really hard? I can't even imagine the millions of ISK that I've spent just on replenishing things in my dropsuit! (I'm and Assault Suit type of guy) so I use Assault Rifles lvl 5 with Assault Rifle Proficiency lvl 1, lvl 4 Submachine gun, Basic Shield Extender and Recharger Basic Biotic thing(I can't remember the name but it's blue), Enhanced CPU, Lvl 4 Drop uplink, Basic Armor Repairer, and I have a Assault A-Series Dropsuit, lvl 4. Overall these items cost me a fortune! Especially the Dropsuit, that's over 13 000 alone! Add the cost of the other items in the suit, and I lose at least a million just stocking up to 30 and beyond! Will the pricing for these go down eventually, or will it be up to a Merc to fight hard and just earn his pay for a mission? Keep a few blueprint-only fits on hand, and learn to do the math. When you're looking like the money out will start overtaking the money in, start bringing free junk instead. Or run the other way, start out using your cheap gear, then ramp up when it looks like the good stuff is going to be worth having. Income is based in part on personal performance, and in part on how much your team did. There's a baseline of 100,000 ISK for participation (like the certificates that EVERYONE gets in school to make them feel special), then beyond that your contribution is factored in with consideration towards the value of what you destroyed on the enemy team. In battles where the other team lost a couple of Marauders, or people were spamming Prototype Dropships and getting ripped out of the sky, your profit margins skyrocket. So... when you see those tanks, go nuts, and it'll help you balance the books at the end of the match.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:16:00 - [26] - Quote Do higher tier dropsuits offer more slot fittings or less slots (similar to the Logistics Type-II)? :( I had accumulated a large amount of SP but was worried if the improved Dropsuits would've been a waste of effort.
NopeNopeNope Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:36:00 - [27] - Quote Trouble Man wrote: Dust world, what's gud? Does anyone else find that keeping your Dropsuit up and running for battle is really hard? I can't even imagine the millions of ISK that I've spent just on replenishing things in my dropsuit! (I'm and Assault Suit type of guy) so I use Assault Rifles lvl 5 with Assault Rifle Proficiency lvl 1, lvl 4 Submachine gun, Basic Shield Extender and Recharger Basic Biotic thing(I can't remember the name but it's blue), Enhanced CPU, Lvl 4 Drop uplink, Basic Armor Repairer, and I have a Assault A-Series Dropsuit, lvl 4. Overall these items cost me a fortune! Especially the Dropsuit, that's over 13 000 alone! Add the cost of the other items in the suit, and I lose at least a million just stocking up to 30 and beyond! Will the pricing for these go down eventually, or will it be up to a Merc to fight hard and just earn his pay for a mission? You aren't getting a lot of survivability out of that suit. Get skilled up for the Complex Shield Extender and stack them. The recharger doesn't have a good enough effect on Assault suits and Scout suits simply have amazing regen natively. Don't use a Drop Uplink unless you already have space for a Nanohive, in this beta you can never rely on others for ammunition. With how Assault Rifles are right now, you are not exactly required to carry a side arm especially if you have a Nanohive, though I have seen them put to very effective use. Consider a scrambler pistol if you must have one. Also if you think your suits expensive, try fitting a good Sagaris.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.07.31 07:08:00 - [28] - Quote Don't use what you're not willing to lose. Spend less than you make. It seems people aren't taught that anymore.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.07.31 07:10:00 - [29] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Do higher tier dropsuits offer more slot fittings or less slots (similar to the Logistics Type-II)? :( I had accumulated a large amount of SP but was worried if the improved Dropsuits would've been a waste of effort. Higher level suits may give more hights or lows but not equipment or weapon slots. Typically it's more cpu/power and shields/hp, and maybe an extra high or slow slot. If you die often, be sure to make cheap fits and don't bring with you stuff you rarely use.
Seran Jinkar Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 214	Posted - 2012.07.31 07:13:00 - [30] - Quote Doesn't the logistics proto suit have 4 equipment slots?

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.31 07:15:00 - [31] - Quote Seran Jinkar wrote: Doesn't the logistics proto suit have 4 equipment slots? its got 4/4/4 with a light slot, grenade and no sidearm
Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.31 08:14:00 - [32] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: Don't use what you're not willing to lose. Spend less than you make. It seems people aren't taught that anymore. I think the point he's making is why would he bother losing it. Some people arnt thought Reasoning anymore.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:03:00 - [33] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: its got 4/4/4 with a light slot, grenade and no sidearm Thanks for sharing the info. Now I just need to get the info from Heavy and Assault dropsuits.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:47:00 - [34] - Quote I actually think that either the payout will go down or cost will go up for these highsec battles. Theres no reason why I should be able to afford 5+ proto dropsuits a round.
Bob Deorum 15	Posted - 2012.07.31 15:53:00 - [35] - Quote well I run full proto every match, it costs me about 80k a suit and I run a huge profit every game. Even on my bad games i run a really nice profit even in games that I lose tanks and dropships that cost 200k plus i still make isk so I do not consider it much of a issue atm. \ plus they are changing all the prices next build anyway so just have to wait and see what they do. also here is a quote from the dust 514 manual that might help you out. "The amount of isk earned is dependent on the level of battle consumption -- battles with more advanced players with better gear will earn you more than beginner battles." I can confirm this as well I have pulled over 750k in a match before and regularly get within 300 to 600k isk every battle.


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