Seems like as soon as somebody has something negative to say about the mechanics of DUST, they immediately get jumped by others telling them to "stop trying to make it like CoD," or to "go back to CoD." First, some people are legitimately just trying to help improve DUST. Second, assuming stuff about other people's judgement or relative skill level- based on a personal opinion of another game- just isn't cool, ya know?

tl;dr- CoD comments aren't beta feedback

Seems like as soon as somebody has something negative to say about the mechanics of DUST, they immediately get jumped by others telling them to "stop trying to make it like CoD," or to "go back to CoD." First, some people are legitimately just trying to help improve DUST. Second, assuming stuff about other people's judgement or relative skill level- based on a personal opinion of another game- just isn't cool, ya know?

tl;dr- CoD comments aren't beta feedback

go back to call of duty bro

Seems like as soon as somebody has something negative to say about the mechanics of DUST, they immediately get jumped by others telling them to "stop trying to make it like CoD," or to "go back to CoD." First, some people are legitimately just trying to help improve DUST. Second, assuming stuff about other people's judgement or relative skill level- based on a personal opinion of another game- just isn't cool, ya know?

tl;dr- CoD comments aren't beta feedback

Ahem...

The orgins of this... demeanor of lesser intellectuals players and the extremly generous fair warning originated in eve online. The nature of it there was "Go Back to WoW" a game which for the most part is very oh so more simpler than Eve Online.

It however as seemed that this additude has bleed into dust 514 and the game of simpler concqences would be unfourunately Call of Duty.

*Blow bubbles on tobaco pipe.

Tbh theres like no cod players testing this beta. That was always an invalid argument from people with little to no first person shooter experience.

I do and I'll tell you that you can tell who are in Dust as they care more about their kd/r then the objectives. Ticks me off when playing objective based games in CoD when you see your teammates running away from the objective looking for a kill.

lol objective based game modes in CoD. So many tryhards.

Just because people tryhard doesn't mean they play CoD. There are tryhards in every game. That is an unfair judgement.

What I would like to see if the irate people whom seem to circle-jerk one another on here, and stop acting like fools. Especially the same small group of people who call us -- "fanboys" -- when we act civil, and are more patient. Just because, they want to scream, cry, and act like a spoiled brat does not make us "fanboys". They use the word a lot, but honestly I feel they do not know what it means. They just cry as loud as possible, and spout what ever negativity they can at every moment they can. That is really petty if not more childish. Riling the people up and vexing them is not the way to go about helping the game or the community.

On a bigger picture though? Both sides need to stop antagonizing, and encouraging one another in being brazen. Usually the forums are nothing, but a negative thread soon followed by another thread that only complains about another thread, and this just goes on and on, and on.. Yesterday was horrible. I dubbed it -- "Day of The Trolling" -- and hopefully we'll never see a sequel. Someone childishly even went out of there way to make a fake account and attempt to impersonate me on here. Seriously though? Both sides need to stop it, and in all honesty -- we all should just realize we want the best for Dust. Just some need to stop barking, crying, yelling, and screaming like brats. Being a negative nancy will not get you what you want.

Can we all just move on? Really?!

Ps. I'm willing to bet money that if CCP would give us some word, or form of docmentation on what is going on, what to expect, or even some words as to what will not happen then the tension on here would drop dramatically. Not everyone will be happy. That is a given. You cannot please everyone and not everyone is pleasable. Some are just out to be a cynic, or pessimist. I just want the GM (General Managment) to talk to the DEV (Developers) and speak with us.. The silence is becoming really harmful and is starting to hinder the game I feel.

I know a lot of people on here are feeling ignored when it comes to the amount of input we as community have provided. Again just post up something that we can read, and will let us know what is going on. I could even understand if they just said we're unable to speak on anything due to corporate policy, or issues.

SImply put? Lack of communication all around here on the forums, and in the community. From all sides.

LOL i say go back to COD sometimes as a sybological way of saying, go play something dumber, Dust is supposed to be a complex game. Noobtastic mechanics dont work here.


BUT MOSTLY i say it cause at that point ive had ....a few.... beers and im in an antagonizing mood.

Im all for people to come to dust and enjoy the game. Its just important to understand that CCP has a vision fo this game that unfortunately for some doesnt seem to fit their tastes. They dont NEED to do this or that, plenty of people will play anyway cause it will be a complex, ever changing game in a VERY stagnant video game climate.

Its frustrating. Mag, while it had amazing/smooth game play. Sucked ass at the mmo part. No market, no trading, no clan battles. It had very little aim assist and a good amount of health so it took a good amount of skill to be good at. Not like CoD where you sneeze on someone and they are dead.

Now I feel that dust might have the same cult following because the fps part of the game comes up short while the mmo aspect is almost perfect. It will have a cult following either way.

Please before you start trolling me about the fps part coming up short. Its my opinion and I have high hopes so i'm not to worried about it. I just needed to vent.

Its frustrating.

lol sorry bout that, but again, like i said i was in an *antagonizing mood*

there have been plenty of times late in the night where ive had some pretty ****** game as a result lolz, that and i like to test all these crazy fittings in my tanks so i can give my corp the heads up on what works and what doesnt. Makes me lose a couple sometimes.


unfortunately, i wasnt blessed with enough foresight to be able to play MAG...probably the onle game in the history of the world that i havent played

ill elaborate on the COD part...its not that it falls short, cause COD is successful, its just stagnant and the innovation is long gone. What i was saying is the mechanics are arcade mechanics, which im sure you understand what that means. Dust is more complex than that and requires a different set of game mechanics in order for the cogs to keep turning.

The biggest difference is that in COD, good twitch skillz can give a great chance of getting the win. In this game, not so much since some guy sitting pretty on his comp can nuke you from above or simply just throw money at the other team to deliberately stop you from winning. Its also their right to do that if they are that willing to keep or take resources.

I recently found out a little bit more about ya crimson so i know your not stupid, hopefully that goes both ways?

edit: And yes, i agree that Dust will always have a cult following, but it will be substantially more than some other games like MAG since Dust is tied into a game the needs mercs to keep doing their bidding. I prefer to see all these clever things that CCP is doing as failsafes put in place to really guarantee the success and longevity of Dust.

Twitch skills mean nothing against a group of guys who have no shame setting up camp and roasting marsh mellows all game. Throw down that motion potion MP7 w/ scavenger pro and proceed to call in the MOABs

lol sorry bout that, but again, like i said i was in an *antagonizing mood*

there have been plenty of times late in the night where ive had some pretty ****** game as a result lolz, that and i like to test all these crazy fittings in my tanks so i can give my corp the heads up *['on what works and what doesnt. Makes me lose a couple sometimes.


unfortunately, i wasnt blessed with enough foresight to be able to play MAG...probably the onle game in the history of the world that i havent played

ill elaborate on the COD part...its not that it falls short, cause COD is successful, its just stagnant and the innovation is long gone. What i was saying is the mechanics are arcade mechanics, which im sure you understand what that means. Dust is more complex than that and requires a different set of game mechanics in order for the cogs to keep turning.

The biggest difference is that in COD, good twitch skillz can give a great chance of getting the win. In this game, not so much since some guy sitting pretty on his comp can nuke you from above or simply just throw money at the other team to deliberately stop you from winning. Its also their right to do that if they are that willing to keep or take resources.

I recently found out a little bit more about ya crimson so i know your not stupid, hopefully that goes both ways?

edit: And yes, i agree that Dust will always have a cult following, but it will be substantially more than some other games like MAG since Dust is tied into a game the needs mercs to keep doing their bidding. I prefer to see all these clever things that CCP is doing as failsafes put in place to really guarantee the success and longevity of Dust.

or the ass clapper

I can tell you are an intelligent person. I get in that antagonistic mood from time to time and like troll too. I understand and and I forgive you.

This might be a little off topic but meh.

As far as the mechanics go. Dust is high health strafe and shoot fps. The strafe speed is really low and the health is really high.. (unless you are a scout.) This doesn't sit well with me. Health and strafe speed needs to be tweaked so the gun fights are a little bit smoother and gun game takes more skill. I'm not saying I want the health lowered. That would be a bad thing. I would like to see the strafe speed raised a little bit so that the game play runs smoother with how much health you have.

A lot of my gun fights turn into me aiming down sight holding R1 and getting a kill. If I strafe to much it just takes the sight off the enemy allowing the target to hit me if he has good gun game. (of course you have to strafe in cqc.

While dust itself might be deep and complex. The gun mechanics are not. Make this into a real strafe and shoot fps. What we are playing now just feels so bulky.

lol offtopic ftw.

Last build you could literally have a 2 minuet gun fight with a dude and empty out everything and proceed to have a knife fight and it was amazing.

Yesterday was nothing in comparison to the classic threads of the past.

Some people here actually need to go play CoD and see what a shooter is like other than DUST.

[quote=MUDMASTEI2]Some of the things said in the lobbies before and after matches are classic.

Seems like as soon as somebody has something negative to say about the mechanics of DUST, they immediately get jumped by others telling them to "stop trying to make it like CoD," or to "go back to CoD." First, some people are legitimately just trying to help improve DUST. Second, assuming stuff about other people's judgement or relative skill level- based on a personal opinion of another game- just isn't cool, ya know?

tl;dr- CoD comments aren't beta feedback