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Kev Crow
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:13:00 -
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I know some dedicated PS3 players who use both, naturally not in their living room.
I am an EVE player who never played a console FPS and I do find it hard to rack up K/D, however I suspect that the KBM will be sufficiently nerfed that I will probably prefer using a DS3 controller in the long run.
Actually, the discussion about using KBM isn't really new to the console community. I suspect that in this instance it isn't really about KBM vs DS3.
It's the EVE/PC players, (Masters of the Universe) vs Console/FPS players, (Deadliest Gunfighters Forever) again...
What seems to drive these arguments is a simple fear of change, a reluctance to fully accept a simple fact: DUST is a brand new concept and both sides will probably have to adapt . Naturally "the Devil is in the details" but instead of focusing on those many discussions only spiral into the inevitable finger pointing.
Of course all gaming forums are full of such bickering, however here, it is compounded by the very daredevil vision CCP is trying to manifest: Combining two very different platforms and two very different play styles into one universe. Rather then trying to be part of the birthing process, it's much easier and very tempting for both communities to simply point their fingers at the other bozos. We even have some over qualified midwifes who instead of helping the doctor to deliver this baby have already decided that the baby will die, and are scaring all the other children with fiendish tales about doomed Frankenstein. |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:33:00 -
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sundown d'kay wrote:
It has nothing todo with console players being afraid of change, it is simply the fact that CCP desided to make a PC game for the PS3..
I understand why it may seem like that, but if one takes a step back, away from the predicable finger pointing one sees immediately that a lot of tension comes from the creative process of trying to combine two distinct game communities into one world, there is bound to be friction and in a way it is even necessary.
If one looks at the facts with cool objectivity its clear that CCP is trying to create something new. Its rather obvious that such a process requires some bending or even changing of existing and well established patterns. Such a change always causes resistance and I see that resistance-fear on both sides of the barricade. As an EVE player I would even go as far as saying that EVE snobbery is extremely fear based. From our paranoid perspective we have more to loose then console FPS players: If DUST fails the existing EVE game we love will be directly effected, on the other hand since DUST is F2P FPS players will simply move on to another game with little or no damage to their precious e-pride.
Your points are actually rather constructive and I agree with you, however I still believe that some unnecessary fear based finger pointing is taking place here. We are all here to tell CCP what rules in our opinion can be bend and how, what changes we must have and which are unacceptable. Naturally both communities will disagree on many issues and thats ok. After all, marines/army and airforce/navy have no love for one another, grudging respect maybe but no love.
I have faith in CCP because I know that they are not like other developers and if something doesn't work they are not afraid to admit their mistake and change it. ( If you are interested I have made a long post about my take on EVE community and CCP and this project in general.: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29832&p=3) |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:00:00 -
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Surtur Reaperson wrote:Tariq Tamir wrote:
There's no problem with debate on the KBM issue, but as an EVE player I have to object to statements like "you're coming into my world." CCP are making a PS3 exclusive FPS specifically to tap a new market. EVE player opinions should not have any more weight than console player opinions -- and if anything, really, they should have a little less weight.
Ah but alas look around the forums, what you see? EVE people trying to shove their game down the throat of dust, pandering towards pc elements, rpg elements...anything but fps, and if you complain "go back to cod" "adapt or die" the last one being hypocritical based on the topic at hand. Dunno about you but im calling this game DOA, dead on arrival. Whose to blame? look around...
Vocal minority - a phenomena well known on all forums and especially prevalent and nasty on the EVE arena.
Why don't you look around and talk to those EVE players who are trying to present their views in a respectful manner, there are quite a few. And while you are at it why don't you start with yourself - In your rush to generalize all EVE players and condemn this game you take out your frustrations on a post of an EVE player who thinks that the opinions of FPS people should have more weight... Honestly, I am not sure if I understand you correctly and I don't want to judge your intentions but you are the one who used the word: hypocrisy... |
Kev Crow
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:04:00 -
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Surtur Reaperson wrote: Lets talk about vocal minorioties, like the group you described, the "respectful" EVE players, using the term loosely, seems to be the minority of the minority.
But that's the point here, vocal minority means that most of the "respectful" EVE players do not engage in forum squabbles at all. At least now I know were you're coming from. It seems to me that the only thing you seem to be wholeheartedly agreeing with is your own conviction that this game will fail because of a rather small number of EVE players, ( no matter how carefully you look "by the numbers" its still a tiny group ).
Well, in any case I do not agree with you for the following reasons:
- I have seen this kind of self righteous raging on EVE forums for years and in spite of it that game is doing better and better every year. - I am a PC payer and I will learn how to play DS3. I couldn't care less if they ad KBM as long as it is balanced. - For every EVE player that shouts *adapt or die* I know at least two who have no problem playing FPS with DS3. - I also know that this game is not supposed to be exactly like other console FPS games, so what some people will see as game damaging nerfs others will simply see as change and will embrace it.
Since the DS3 controller is completely new to me I will learn to use it with DUST 514. I have no comparison to other FPS console games and therefore I am open to any solution that works for me. You on the other hand seem to be an experienced console player, with well ingrained habits and convictions about what is right and wrong in a FPS console game.
Are you open to any changes at all or is it just like with the EVE "wanna be gods" - adapt or die? |
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