DUST Search - Dust is not a one hitter quitter

jus nukem wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Mr Funless wrote:

And yet the people that use the "It's a beta" term are the first one's to leave when a game goes "gold". Why? Because the bugs that were complained about were not fixed.

I use the "it's a beta" line when the devs have already acknowledged the problem, and when someone is saying they're "quitting" because "the game is broken" when it's not even finished yet.

I'm backing up those same points when they're made in a rational manner, and sometimes saying "yes, this is a problem, but CCP have time to fix it" when it's worth doing so.

Not all of the "it's a beta" crowd are saying it's ok for the game to be in the same state on release.

It's also a legitimate argument against people saying the game is boring, because it's NOT A GAME, IT'S A BETA. It's here for TESTING, not for FUN. Although a slight increase in the fun factor might be nice for some of us...

The last thing you want to tell a gaming consumer that a VIDEO GAME is not for FUN! That is a ridiculous statement to make. A game should always be fun. Then otherwise why play it?!?! You people are annoying who say that! If you want testing your video GAME to be a pain in the ass chore, then pay me for my time. Just like any other job in the world.


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.22 20:28:00 - [1] - Quote Mr Funless wrote: And yet the people that use the "It's a beta" term are the first one's to leave when a game goes "gold". Why? Because the bugs that were complained about were not fixed. I use the "it's a beta" line when the devs have already acknowledged the problem, and when someone is saying they're "quitting" because "the game is broken" when it's not even finished yet. I'm backing up those same points when they're made in a rational manner, and sometimes saying "yes, this is a problem, but CCP have time to fix it" when it's worth doing so. Not all of the "it's a beta" crowd are saying it's ok for the game to be in the same state on release. It's also a legitimate argument against people saying the game is boring, because it's NOT A GAME, IT'S A BETA. It's here for TESTING, not for FUN. Although a slight increase in the fun factor might be nice for some of us...
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.22 21:58:00 - [2] - Quote Jehaleleel wrote: Rhadiem wrote: +1 And if I may add.. endlessly ranting in team voice chat about things everyone knows are broken is NOT what team speak is for. We can't fix these problems, and we'd probably agree with you if you were cool about it. But, if people ask you to shut up, it's not an invitation to go deeper into nerdrage. But... but... as long as I'm on the enemies teamspeak I should go into a nerdrage right? Just because there is a mental part in warfare! And me "lalalallalalalalalalalalallallaaaalalalalalalalalLALALALLALALALAlalalalalala"ing is the way to interfere with there tactical discussion :) If you know you're on the ENEMY'S teamspeak, and nobody on your team is talking to you, then you should kill someone, and if you don't hear an acknowledgement, complain yourself about how much BS was going on when "you" died, pretending like you're on their team and a whiny brat.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.22 22:45:00 - [3] - Quote Quagers wrote: This game requires console gamers to devote all their gaming experience towards it which will never happen, we all crave to play different games, a game like this demands too much from its audience. No. No it doesn't require all a gamer's attention/gaming experience devoted to it. It actually ENCOURAGES moderation in your play. Your SP rewards drop off the more you play, and you get passive SP gain while not playing, so you can pick it up for a couple of matches every day and not fall too far behind the guy who's playing for 10 hours straight every day. And you can pick it up for 2 - 3 hours over the weekend and still be earning an acceptable level of SP and building up your stats a little almost every time you pick it up.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.22 23:23:00 - [4] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: @Garret You have to play everyday, or be left behind, as you can't just catch up on your day off. It is asking for a huge commitment. Imagine what going and playing another game for 2 months would do to your character. I already know what that would do. 2 months worth of passive SP gain.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.23 00:12:00 - [5] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: So at say 200 SP a day 2 months leaves you 6million SP down. 200kSP is quite a reasonable figure for 24/7 game heads That's assuming they intend for playtime SP to be the primary method of SP gain. It's likely they DON'T want people to think that way, and SP earned in battle will be just a bonus on top of what you're getting anyway. It's just as reaosnable to assume we'll be given passive SP at a rate of 100,000 SP per day as to assume we're only going to get 200. And that 6 milliion SP lost is assuming a skilled player spending multiple hours per day, EVERY day, on the game, and NOT accounting for the 4x SP earnings in the current build. You'll be falling maybe 3 - 4 million behind the most hardcore of players if you stop playing for 2 months, but unless you're one of them, you're only really missing out on MAYBE a milliion SP, and probably less.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.23 09:36:00 - [6] - Quote jus nukem wrote: There is only ONE problem... Most console players are of the 'instant gratification' /casual' breed, especially with their shooters! DUST 514 is going to require some heavy investing to suit your merc to your liking. That of which the majority of console gamers aren't that all into. DUST 514 would flourish on pc! But will most likely FLOP on console because of that ONE tiny reason. As a console gamer, I can safely say I know a lot of other console gamers who WANT a game that encourages greater investment in their character and the gameworld. Nobody else is doing it, and CCP have a free product that's offering us what we want. If they deliver, we'll be sticking around.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.23 21:50:00 - [7] - Quote jus nukem wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mr Funless wrote: And yet the people that use the "It's a beta" term are the first one's to leave when a game goes "gold". Why? Because the bugs that were complained about were not fixed. I use the "it's a beta" line when the devs have already acknowledged the problem, and when someone is saying they're "quitting" because "the game is broken" when it's not even finished yet. I'm backing up those same points when they're made in a rational manner, and sometimes saying "yes, this is a problem, but CCP have time to fix it" when it's worth doing so. Not all of the "it's a beta" crowd are saying it's ok for the game to be in the same state on release. It's also a legitimate argument against people saying the game is boring, because it's NOT A GAME, IT'S A BETA. It's here for TESTING, not for FUN. Although a slight increase in the fun factor might be nice for some of us... The last thing you want to tell a gaming consumer that a VIDEO GAME is not for FUN! That is a ridiculous statement to make. A game should always be fun. Then otherwise why play it?!?! You people are annoying who say that! If you want testing your video GAME to be a pain in the ass chore, then pay me for my time. Just like any other job in the world. That's exactly my point though. A BETA IS NOT A GAME. IT'S A TOOL USED TO MAKE SURE THE GAME IS FUN. We're not PLAYING a game. We're TESTING a BETA. The problems that make the beta not fun are (mostly) the things we need to point out to the developers we're testing for. They're NOT a reason to "quit" the game over. THEY'RE THE REASON WE'RE HERE.