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Dragon Grace
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:01:00 -
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hey guys, its been a few weeks since i raised a post, and i know some of the things that i may be saying in this one have been brought up already, but i wanna gripe away in one post, rather than refer to any previous ones i have dont that will by now be spread throughout the forums.
what happened?
i think releasing the militia vehicles this early in the process was kind of a bad move. you didnt even balance the stuff that we were already using properly and now you have totally put the games pace and balance our of whack! the map that you have chosen for us to try this on is far too far. when the scale of the matches is increased...i dare say that would kinda accomodate the number of tanks and dropships (dropship by the way becoming the new melee weapon for everyone to use) that we are seeing today. plus...the who sales pitch of this game was that you invest in your stuff....and if you lose it.....you have really lost something. militia vehicles is not the way to back up that message. and with the number of people who are just flying solo in the dropship to ram people or use it ONLY to get on top of towers.....it ruins our vision of what that vehicle is supposed to be, and im sure yours too, regardless of how creative the thinking is to use it in that manner (which is kinda creative...but a tad dumb....but hey, its free right? who needs brains when you know you have an unlimited number of chances to totally eliminate the teamwork aspect of the game and just playing COD in your mind with the only thing mattering to you being your K/D ratio)
now for the obvious stuff, so feel free to scroll down a bit....
-the spawn camping has been a HUGE problem for a good little while now. i cant imagine the guys at e3 playing the game woulda been all that chuffed with it either. i played a match today. 8 kills/17 death. 11 of those deaths were spawn camp kills. i know you could probably fix it, but until it is fixed....this is just not fun or acceptable anymore for the amount of time its been like this. there has to be a way to fix it. i have seen suggestion for temp barrier of impenetrability. good idea. a tad "god mode for 5 seconds" but its on the right line. there has to be a new eden equivalent.
-there are more people on comms than their used to be, which is good. however....does anyone else have people not hearing them? i know my mic works, i use it for my pc, and my ps3 or other games. why can no one hear me on DUST514? is this a known issue? anyway, my point....its really good to see/hear people on the comms. however, there are still so many people not on comms. is there anyway that people can be made aware of the function besides it being in the options? i mean even if they are just listening, its still a tad closer to running as a tighter unit in game. perhaps an "always on" for the comms. this game is about the teamwork. uniting for the greater good against the enemy, aiming for that mutual goal. that is all the reason i would say this is a good idea. people need to know whats going on....or the team will collapse. or perhaps...always on for corp battles (low sec, null sec) in the future due to the importance of the role and an option for hi sec stuff? hi sec guys i dare say would be the more "drop in now and again to pop a few heads" kinda players. the guys in low and null will be the ones who are there to leave their mark in new eden with their unit/corp.
of course, weapon balance (SMG's are waaaaaay to accurate at range) and things like that are mentioned so much, i dont need to explain much more.
but my biggest gripe. CCP....you said no pay to win. you said AURUM give you more of a side-grade rather than an upgrade potential...keeping it a level playing field for all and no definitive advantage given to anyone with AURUM purchased items.....
....why, oh why?! do i see electronics upgrades (for example) to buff damage of light weapons, the ISK purchased one giving a 5% increase in damage and the AURUM purchased (in the same section) giving 10%! whats going on here? how is that fair? Hell, David Reid has said it millions of time to anyone he speaks to "Dust514 is not a pay to win game" and other comments that state that no one can buy an advantage?
when i add all these things together in my mind....there was only ever one other time when i was this unhappy at CCP and really infuriated that you might be taking a game in a bad direction. it wasnt that long ago...and any EVE capsuleer will remember it as "the INCARNA incident". you guys rushed, got a tad careless (maybe through some pressure from the bigger people) and you released stuff that got our hopes up for months....and then it wasnt quite what you promised....or what YOU wanted it to be.
Please dont INCARNA DUST514 :( sit back, take a breath. its a beta....use the time wisely and remember your vision for what DUST514 is aswell as ours. there is middle ground. CRUCIBLE was that middle ground. it had stuff we all wanted in it and put new blood and hope back into EVE Online. just sit back...think of the little thing and dont roll out the big until its ready. This Plateau map was not ready for this many vehicles. Free vehicles are not an investment for the merc....nor are they a loss. This is your game aswell as ours. yeh sure, we will be playing it more than you....but you are the that will be wanting to sit back and take pride in how your have managed to take a vision, a technical turning point in gaming, and a two communities, merge them together and watch the good mayhem take place in what your created.
You guys had a vision, probably still do. we are not here to change that. it looks as if thats happening. we are here to add the spinkles and give feedback. we cannot dictate to you, and we shouldnt be able to. This game is turning into a fast a frantic shooter (on this current map being crammed with vehicles and spawn kills anyway) thats not cool.
remember, little things :) |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:07:00 -
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Dragon Grace wrote:i know some of the things that i may be saying in this one have been brought up already, but i wanna gripe away in one post, rather than refer to any previous ones i have dont that will by now be spread throughout the forums.
Between the title and this sentence, I think it's clear that you're just an attention *****. (edit for clarification: an individual who trades services in return for payment, usually biological in nature, but in this case a person who is selling their dignity in return for attention) Remember, it's the little things in your posts. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:16:00 -
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Militia vehicles are there for testing. Devs have confirmed there will be more limitations on vehicle use before release, so you WON'T have to worry about that issue in the long term.
Also, you sound like you're missing the fact that we're beta testers and CCP are actually using the beta to test things.
This build is specifically designed to encourage players to use (and hunt) vehicles, so they can find exploits and vulnerabilities of those aspects of the game. |
Dragon Grace
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.07.20 13:03:00 -
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i get the point in the being a beta tester quite well.
at what point did i say someone was selling their services for payment, with that service being biological in nature? i was bringing up the fact that the example i gave in the original post is an example of pay to win. and the reason i raised that point is because im right. look through the market at the example i put forward and you will see.
...and then put that to what CCP have said since 2010 and you will realise that this doesnt quite add up.
and in reply to the attention seeking! HA! if i were...you would only entertaining me. and its not as if i post much in the forum anyway. attention seeking is far from the point. you must be rather over sensitive.
as for the militia vehicles...i learned something today. i didnt know they were a temporary testing measure. thanks for that :) it still puts off testing the who pace of the game, but hey, im sure they will get to that later in the process.
after all, i DO understand this is a beta, i HAVE seen CCP screw up in similar ways before with EVE and I DONT want them to do it again. the only way in past to make the devs aware of such things has been to post it in the forum. or....go through
he CSM, but DUST514 (to my knowledge) doesnt have that yet. i have never needed to use the CSM as i have found the forums to be effective enough in the past...so why would i change the method?
"i know some of the things that i may be saying in this one have been brought up already, but i wanna gripe away in one post, rather than refer to any previous ones i have dont that will by now be spread throughout the forums." is what i wrote, you are right. however....i was supposed to write the following...
""i know some of the things that i may be saying in this one have been brought up already, but i wanna gripe away in one post, rather than refer to any previous ones i have FOUND that will by now be spread throughout the forums." (correction in caps)
as i said earlier, i havent done many posts in this thing since i started playing the beta about 8 weeks ago. attention isnt something i need, as im a happy bunny. what makes me unhappy is when someone doesnt stay to their word. whether it be companies, or people. it is annoying.
plus, if im not mistaken....a forum is where to bring up such things. im not gonna put sprinkles on my thoughts. i respect people who are open and honest with me without dressing up opinions or facts.....like your dig at attention seeking. i can totally see why you did that. however...i shall read over what i type in the future to make sure i dont make so many typo's that can be taken wrong.
and you are right, the little things in my post are what its all about, just like in anything. all my "little things" i wrote in my post angered you in someway, or caused a negative reaction. not sure why...its just words. anyway...i apply the same logic to the game. the little things are little and you may well be a bit annoyed that i bring them up because "hey, their just little thing, its fine" until the point where the little things arent fixed, and cause bigger problems. EVE online is an example of where they have done this before and although i have faith in CCP learning from past experience (the past 12months or so being a great example of that) seeing tell-tale signs of the past waranted recognition. and it was constructive. i said i was gonna gripe, but i backed everything i said with proof. so if anything, i lied at the start of my post by saying i was going to gripe.
my bad......but i stand by what i said as im sure you do aswell. |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.20 13:14:00 -
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Wow, and stupid too. You've got all the best qualities. The clarification edit was because the forum censors the word *****, so I gave a general definition so you'd know what word I used. This was patently obvious, and yet you missed it. An amazing accomplishment. *golf clap*
My motives for responding are my own and as you've already demonstrated, you wouldn't understand them anyway.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.20 13:32:00 -
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I should clarify, they haven't confirmed exactly how things will be changing, but they're hoping to be removing FREE vehicles soon (they distinctly said "soon" not "SOONGäó"), and they said there definitely won't be free vehicles post-release.
They've also said there will be a cost in-mission for calling vehicles in (old interviews said it would be based on War Points), so you won't be free to spam them like people are doing with the current build. As I said, a few people have figured out that the current build was specifically tweaked to over-support vehicles so CCP can do more intensive testing with them.
Also, I'm not sure how, but I missed the paragraph about spawn camping too - that's also a known glitch that's being addressed. Spawn locations are MEANT to be randomised around the area, NOT fixed locations the way they are at present, and they're hoping to have it working SOONGäó. |
Pombe Geek
Red Star.
44
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Posted - 2012.07.20 13:58:00 -
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Dragon Grace wrote:
but my biggest gripe. CCP....you said no pay to win. you said AURUM give you more of a side-grade rather than an upgrade potential...keeping it a level playing field for all and no definitive advantage given to anyone with AURUM purchased items.....
....why, oh why?! do i see electronics upgrades (for example) to buff damage of light weapons, the ISK purchased one giving a 5% increase in damage and the AURUM purchased (in the same section) giving 10%! whats going on here? how is that fair? Hell, David Reid has said it millions of time to anyone he speaks to "Dust514 is not a pay to win game" and other comments that state that no one can buy an advantage?
It is a side-grade - using AUR allows you to purchase essentially the prototype (or next tier) gear (guns, modules, etc). Basically someone with proto gear going up against someone in AUR gear, it'll boil down to skill. If you look at the AUR gear in the proto section, basically there is no difference in damage/benefit, but the fitting requirements are reduced. To me this is exactly how it should be done, CCP needs to make money from this game, by having these side-grades available, I think they are walking the line between profit and avoiding a pay-to-win situation.
As an aside, when the player market opens, I'd be willing to bet you'll be able to buy AUR gear with ISK from other players. |
Dragon Grace
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:29:00 -
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Seeker needs to find the definition for the world that he was explaining. i am no "easy rider" for attention...i think you have your definition wrong here boyo. lets see how may more synonyms we can find shall we? you appear to find this fun! i like fun *backhanded clap in your face* being personal is just wrong man. but as you have brought it to that level already...its a game! get a life, or get laid boyo!
as for the rest of you. thanks for the info. im on the forums every few days reading through...but there are loads of posts and of course i must have missed some stuff somewhere. and even if i managed to keep up with it....i would need to go back to the start and keep up again :P
i sure hope they dont have free vehicles. There would be no sense of loss or investment on the player or the corp scale of the game. as for the side grades thingy. i was looking in the advanced section. at least im pretty sure it was. there was AUR puchases in there with 10% buff on damage. when putting that against the ISK puchases in that same section, which were the 5% buffs, i was wondering why? i understand thought that the proto gear has next to no difference other than the name between the ISK and AUR items. which is fine. kinda wonder thought why have the better stuff in the adv section though :S didnt make sense to me. thats kinda why i was questioning it. do those items really belong there? am i right thats its easier to train for the AUR gear than the ISK gear aswell. im sure somewhere in the market (cant remember what section, maybe more than one) i cant use the ISK items in the proto section....but i can use the AUR ones.
kinda makes me think that AUR items are the quick progression, but everyone can get to the same level....eventually if they dont use AUR. would that be more accurate?
you are right in thinking that we will eventually be able to get everything for ISK. i completely forgot about that lol |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:27:00 -
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Says the person who not only seems to have no understanding of the extremely common colloquialism "attention *****" is an apt description of someone ranting that they feel "betrayed" a company giving them early access to an unfinished game that will be released for free. You seem to need to look up the definition of the word (note: word, not world as you put it) "betray" on top of seeing a proctologist about that cranial issue you seem to be having.
Eh, just for the heck of it, I'll help you out since you seem to not only be ignorant, but adverse to solving the issue of your own volition.
attention ***** (plural attention whores)
(derogatory, idiomatic) An individual that routinely solicits attention through inappropriate tactics and provocation
Synonyms: drama queen
betray (third-person singular simple present betrays, present participle betraying, simple past and past participle betrayed)
To deliver into the hands of an enemy by treachery or fraud, in violation of trust; to give up treacherously or faithlessly; as, an officer betrayed the city.
To prove faithless or treacherous to, as to a trust or one who trusts; to be false to; to deceive; as, to betray a person or a cause.
To violate the confidence of, by disclosing a secret, or that which one is bound in honor not to make known.
To disclose or discover, as something which prudence would conceal; to reveal unintentionally; to bewray.
To mislead; to expose to inconvenience not foreseen to lead into error or sin.
To lead astray, as a maiden; to seduce (as under promise of marriage) and then abandon.
To show or to indicate; -- said of what is not obvious at first, or would otherwise be concealed.
So, now that we've established those words you seem to be having issue with, where were you betrayed? Here's a telling bit:
Dragon Grace wrote:when i add all these things together in my mind
There you have it. Nothing has actually been done to you. You merely reacted to a situation that only exists in your own mind, which judging by your responses doesn't appear to be the most reliable source of information.
So, you pull out the whinging call of being "betrayed", address it directly to the company as a personal letter, and in fact admit that you're wanting your own super special thread just for you... all just to get everything wrong. You're hoping to have a little powow where everyone gets together and bows to you for being oh so clever at pointing out what 20 idiots before you have already whinged about. I'm merely the voice of dissent to keep you from constructing that fantasy. This little fun bit where you're trying to twist my words back on me but getting basic definitions wrong in the process is just icing.
Until next time o7 |
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