DUST Search - If you are CCP why would you do this?

Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:

Grit Breather wrote:

Darkz azurr wrote:

dust would be a cool advantage over microsoft for sony if dust is one of the first ps4 titles, would increase the dust playerbase too i would think. a free to play game on ps4 on the ps4 release day... i kow i'd download and play it.

Yes, but this is a very delicate issue. You would have to give people enough advantages to say "Hell, I can do *THAT* with Dust on the PS4 that I can't do on the PS3 while still not giving them any real advantages over the PS3 players. Letting people win faster because they bought a more expensive console is wrong.

But I'm not too intimidated by this. CCP are experienced in this kind of move. I remember when they moved EVE from DirectX 7 to DirectX 8 and made it much more beautiful while not giving better graphics cards a real advantage.

That is probably the same type of move they would make with Dust PS3 vs Dust PS4. Major graphics updates, as I'm assuming the PS4 will have some pretty nifty tech in it. I'm sure having Dust as a F2P on launch day would be cool just because its like "Well, if I buy that I get Exclusive Game A that I wanted, and Dust will looks super pretty too!" lol :)

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JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:24:00 - [1] - Quote If you are CCP why would you create/make a game that changes the status quo on a system that is on its last leg? Seriously why would you want to play a game that takes a very very long time to get to the desired equiptment/level only to have the system that plays it banished to collect dust on the shelf? Why not start a new era on a new system with better software/hardware and actually have time to achieve your dream without having users leave for the newest thing?
Roccano1 152	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:26:00 - [2] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: If you are CCP why would you create/make a game that changes the status quo on a system that is on its last leg? Seriously why would you want to play a game that takes a very very long time to get to the desired equiptment/level only to have the system that plays it banished to collect dust on the shelf? Why not start a new era on a new system with better software/hardware and actually have time to achieve your dream without having users leave for the newest thing? They have said before that they will be transitioning to the PS4 when it comes out.
Symlin Raahn2 37	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:27:00 - [3] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: If you are CCP why would you create/make a game that changes the status quo on a system that is on its last leg? Seriously why would you want to play a game that takes a very very long time to get to the desired equiptment/level only to have the system that plays it banished to collect dust on the shelf? Why not start a new era on a new system with better software/hardware and actually have time to achieve your dream without having users leave for the newest thing? Because the PS3 wasn't old when they started to create? Just a guess. Symlin
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:27:00 - [4] - Quote The game will come to PS4. The game will receive continuous updates and improvements waaay after launch, so it will probably be updated to take advatange of the PS4's superior hardware.
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:28:00 - [5] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: If you are CCP why would you create/make a game that changes the status quo on a system that is on its last leg? Seriously why would you want to play a game that takes a very very long time to get to the desired equiptment/level only to have the system that plays it banished to collect dust on the shelf? Why not start a new era on a new system with better software/hardware and actually have time to achieve your dream without having users leave for the newest thing? This isn't a game that will be made and then forgotten about, it will have constant expansions like EVE does, and that includes being moved to the ps4.
Spushkin Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:42:00 - [6] - Quote Not to mention that PS3's largest user base is RIGHT NOW. PS4 will have to build up a user base from scratch, depending on how expensive it will be at launch or what games/exclusives it will have at launch and in the first year. Let's not forget that a lot of EvE players bought PS3 exclusively for this game. They don't really care about PS4 coming out soon :D
Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.17 10:36:00 - [7] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: If you are CCP why would you create/make a game that changes the status quo on a system that is on its last leg? Seriously why would you want to play a game that takes a very very long time to get to the desired equiptment/level only to have the system that plays it banished to collect dust on the shelf? Why not start a new era on a new system with better software/hardware and actually have time to achieve your dream without having users leave for the newest thing? the game will be ported to the PS4 and ps3 players will still be able to play dust on the ps3 when the ps4 is on store shelves did you forget that Dust 514 is a download only game? so ccp dosent have to worry about releasing a Disc then haveing to make a ps4 version of the game
Ayures0 259	Posted - 2012.07.17 10:38:00 - [8] - Quote It's to recruit some console kiddies before we get a proper PC version.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.17 10:43:00 - [9] - Quote Ayures0 wrote: It's to recruit some console kiddies before we get a proper PC version. I lol'd. Don't be stupid. If you want a PC version so bad, shut up and don't play. Besides, the PS3 is a computer, it just isn't as high end as the gaming PC you have. What does it matter anyway? Full KBM support was announced, thus making a PC version irrelevant, as the entire reason people want a PC release is for KBM support. Some people just can't afford that $1500 computer to play prettier games on, that or they'd rather buy a $250 PS3 and play with a gamepad. Not really a big issue either way. Don't be an elitist, nobody likes elitists.
Sgt Slab Ranko Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 32	Posted - 2012.07.17 11:19:00 - [10] - Quote I don't think people will get rid of their PS3's that quickly, you have to remember that alot of people are still playing their PS2's now. I also had a check online and the last PS2 release I could find was 3 months ago and yes there is less support for the PS2 now but there is still support. How many years has it been since the PS3 was released? I seriously doubt Sony would just forget the PS3 as soon as the PS4 is released. We've all seen how slow people were to move from PS2 to PS3.

Darkz azurr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2012.07.17 11:32:00 - [11] - Quote dust would be a cool advantage over microsoft for sony if dust is one of the first ps4 titles, would increase the dust playerbase too i would think. a free to play game on ps4 on the ps4 release day... i know i'd download and play it.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.17 11:33:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Slab Ranko wrote: I don't think people will get rid of their PS3's that quickly, you have to remember that alot of people are still playing their PS2's now. I also had a check online and the last PS2 release I could find was 3 months ago and yes there is less support for the PS2 now but there is still support. How many years has it been since the PS3 was released? I seriously doubt Sony would just forget the PS3 as soon as the PS4 is released. We've all seen how slow people were to move from PS2 to PS3. CCP have stated (in the FF Dust keynote I think or the subsequent Q&A) that once PS4 is released they will migrate Dust to the PS4 but continue supporting the PS3 version for a year or so. My guess is that the PS4 is about 2-3 years away (Assuming Android consoles don't kill it altogether...). That gives us at lease 3-4 years of Dust on the PS3. No worries.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.17 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote Darkz azurr wrote: dust would be a cool advantage over microsoft for sony if dust is one of the first ps4 titles, would increase the dust playerbase too i would think. a free to play game on ps4 on the ps4 release day... i kow i'd download and play it. Yes, but this is a very delicate issue. You would have to give people enough advantages to say "Hell, I can do THAT with Dust on the PS4 that I can't do on the PS3 while still not giving them any real advantages over the PS3 players. Letting people win faster because they bought a more expensive console is wrong. But I'm not too intimidated by this. CCP are experienced in this kind of move. I remember when they moved EVE from DirectX 7 to DirectX 8 and made it much more beautiful while not giving better graphics cards a real advantage.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.17 11:59:00 - [14] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: Darkz azurr wrote: dust would be a cool advantage over microsoft for sony if dust is one of the first ps4 titles, would increase the dust playerbase too i would think. a free to play game on ps4 on the ps4 release day... i kow i'd download and play it. Yes, but this is a very delicate issue. You would have to give people enough advantages to say "Hell, I can do THAT with Dust on the PS4 that I can't do on the PS3 while still not giving them any real advantages over the PS3 players. Letting people win faster because they bought a more expensive console is wrong. But I'm not too intimidated by this. CCP are experienced in this kind of move. I remember when they moved EVE from DirectX 7 to DirectX 8 and made it much more beautiful while not giving better graphics cards a real advantage. That is probably the same type of move they would make with Dust PS3 vs Dust PS4. Major graphics updates, as I'm assuming the PS4 will have some pretty nifty tech in it. I'm sure having Dust as a F2P on launch day would be cool just because its like "Well, if I buy that I get Exclusive Game A that I wanted, and Dust will looks super pretty too!" lol :)
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.17 12:02:00 - [15] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Grit Breather wrote: Darkz azurr wrote: dust would be a cool advantage over microsoft for sony if dust is one of the first ps4 titles, would increase the dust playerbase too i would think. a free to play game on ps4 on the ps4 release day... i kow i'd download and play it. Yes, but this is a very delicate issue. You would have to give people enough advantages to say "Hell, I can do THAT with Dust on the PS4 that I can't do on the PS3 while still not giving them any real advantages over the PS3 players. Letting people win faster because they bought a more expensive console is wrong. But I'm not too intimidated by this. CCP are experienced in this kind of move. I remember when they moved EVE from DirectX 7 to DirectX 8 and made it much more beautiful while not giving better graphics cards a real advantage. That is probably the same type of move they would make with Dust PS3 vs Dust PS4. Major graphics updates, as I'm assuming the PS4 will have some pretty nifty tech in it. I'm sure having Dust as a F2P on launch day would be cool just because its like "Well, if I buy that I get Exclusive Game A that I wanted, and Dust will looks super pretty too!" lol :) I'm just drooling about how Dust will behave on the PS4 once the PS3 version is put to sleep. Just imagine the draw distance! Oh, and we'll probably all be playing on 60" HD2 (2160p) TVs. Sweet!
Kitt 514 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 94	Posted - 2012.07.17 12:06:00 - [16] - Quote Much of this has been said but.... its actually a VERY smart move for both sony and ccp. CCP has already said that dust will be modified for the PS4 (and who knows, probably even the PS5 eventually ) This is actually a great time to release it though, because by the time that the PS4 is coming out, DUST will have a pretty decent playerbase. One thing that really boosts the sale of a new console platform is what games are available at launch. The reason the original xbox did so well was because of halo. I don't think a soul in the world owns an original xbox without the first halo game. So why is this good for sony/ccp? Well when the PS4 comes out, its unlikely to have very many games. This is where CCP and sony can both say: "But here's this awesome game that is free, and has been going for years, and is tied into this rich universe on the PC market." The number of people that DUST will gain at that transition alone makes it a genius move.
Fuma Centuri Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2012.07.17 12:13:00 - [17] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: If you are CCP why would you create/make a game that changes the status quo on a system that is on its last leg? Because there is no new console available now to develop a game on? There is no PS4 prototype. There is no prototype XBOX109248 either. They started the development years ago and are using PS3 because it's the only console which has free online services and it's the only console with a CPU that can handle very large maps with lots of stuff moving about.
Zeran Haggai Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2012.07.17 12:21:00 - [18] - Quote Sgt Slab Ranko wrote: I don't think people will get rid of their PS3's that quickly, you have to remember that alot of people are still playing their PS2's now. I also had a check online and the last PS2 release I could find was 3 months ago and yes there is less support for the PS2 now but there is still support. How many years has it been since the PS3 was released? I seriously doubt Sony would just forget the PS3 as soon as the PS4 is released. We've all seen how slow people were to move from PS2 to PS3. This, i still had my PS2 hooked up for 3 years after i bought a PS3. If people like the game they'll keep playing it after the PS4 comes out. Also if you can cross platform with EvE players, i see no reason why PS3 and PS4 players couldn't play the game together over PSN.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.17 21:38:00 - [19] - Quote Zeran Haggai wrote: Sgt Slab Ranko wrote: I don't think people will get rid of their PS3's that quickly, you have to remember that alot of people are still playing their PS2's now. I also had a check online and the last PS2 release I could find was 3 months ago and yes there is less support for the PS2 now but there is still support. How many years has it been since the PS3 was released? I seriously doubt Sony would just forget the PS3 as soon as the PS4 is released. We've all seen how slow people were to move from PS2 to PS3. This, i still had my PS2 hooked up for 3 years after i bought a PS3. If people like the game they'll keep playing it after the PS4 comes out. Also if you can cross platform with EvE players, i see no reason why PS3 and PS4 players couldn't play the game together over PSN. CCP has already stated that when the PS4 comes out, they will maintain the game on both consoles for a while, I've read that they said 1 - 2 years, but I haven't seen any actual quotes so I can't say for sure.


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