DUST Search - Small/Large Blasters

Nellantar Ballsinya wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Nellantar Ballsinya wrote:

Shinigami6 Test wrote:

i think he meant the bunkers that you enter and shoot missiles from. if so, i think the way it is now sucks in that if you destroy it its gone forever. but i hear thats only temporary. supposedly, in the future ull be able to call more into the battlefield

... No.

This. I was referring very specifically to vehicle/installation turret blasters.

No splash damage = Praying to God more than one round lands it's target. I'm sure an Advanced or Prototype blaster would work amazing on a tank, but as it stands they're horrible against anything but.

To that degree, Railguns are simply better at anti-vehicular warfare than their Blaster counter-parts. I find this sort of strange considering how under-powered Railguns are in Eve Online, and insanely useful Blasters are by comparison.

I use tier 2 small blasters on my dropships for when there are more vehicles than troops, and I so happen to magically have the 2 good gunners around, and I tear up anything short of a well tanked Sargaris. The railguns projectiles suffer a lot more from motion transfer than the blaster particles.

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Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:50:00 - [1] - Quote Anyone else think that Blasters are a bit under-powered when compared to their Eve-style brothers..?
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyone else think that Blasters are a bit under-powered when compared to their Eve-style brothers..? Yes, the DUST equivalent of EVE blasters is kind of the Forge Gun. Heck if they even made the sound and projectiles a bit heavier it would work better. i.e. Instead of RATATATATATATA it sounds more like THOOM THOOM THOOM.
Shinigami6 Test Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:54:00 - [3] - Quote Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyone else think that Blasters are a bit under-powered when compared to their Eve-style brothers..? Yes, the DUST equivalent of EVE blasters is kind of the Forge Gun. Heck if they even made the sound and projectiles a bit heavier it would work better. i.e. Instead of RATATATATATATA it sounds more like THOOM THOOM THOOM. i think he meant the bunkers that you enter and shoot missiles from. if so, i think the way it is now sucks in that if you destroy it its gone forever. but i hear thats only temporary. supposedly, in the future ull be able to call more into the battlefield
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote Shinigami6 Test wrote: i think he meant the bunkers that you enter and shoot missiles from. if so, i think the way it is now sucks in that if you destroy it its gone forever. but i hear thats only temporary. supposedly, in the future ull be able to call more into the battlefield ... No.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Shinigami6 Test wrote: i think he meant the bunkers that you enter and shoot missiles from. if so, i think the way it is now sucks in that if you destroy it its gone forever. but i hear thats only temporary. supposedly, in the future ull be able to call more into the battlefield ... No. This. I was referring very specifically to vehicle/installation turret blasters. No splash damage = Praying to God more than one round lands it's target. I'm sure an Advanced or Prototype blaster would work amazing on a tank, but as it stands they're horrible against anything but. To that degree, Railguns are simply better at anti-vehicular warfare than their Blaster counter-parts. I find this sort of strange considering how under-powered Railguns are in Eve Online, and insanely useful Blasters are by comparison.
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:12:00 - [6] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Shinigami6 Test wrote: i think he meant the bunkers that you enter and shoot missiles from. if so, i think the way it is now sucks in that if you destroy it its gone forever. but i hear thats only temporary. supposedly, in the future ull be able to call more into the battlefield ... No. This. I was referring very specifically to vehicle/installation turret blasters. No splash damage = Praying to God more than one round lands it's target. I'm sure an Advanced or Prototype blaster would work amazing on a tank, but as it stands they're horrible against anything but. To that degree, Railguns are simply better at anti-vehicular warfare than their Blaster counter-parts. I find this sort of strange considering how under-powered Railguns are in Eve Online, and insanely useful Blasters are by comparison. I use tier 2 small blasters on my dropships for when there are more vehicles than troops, and I so happen to magically have the 2 good gunners around, and I tear up anything short of a well tanked Sargaris. The railguns projectiles suffer a lot more from motion transfer than the blaster particles.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Nellantar Ballsinya wrote: Shinigami6 Test wrote: i think he meant the bunkers that you enter and shoot missiles from. if so, i think the way it is now sucks in that if you destroy it its gone forever. but i hear thats only temporary. supposedly, in the future ull be able to call more into the battlefield ... No. This. I was referring very specifically to vehicle/installation turret blasters. No splash damage = Praying to God more than one round lands it's target. I'm sure an Advanced or Prototype blaster would work amazing on a tank, but as it stands they're horrible against anything but. To that degree, Railguns are simply better at anti-vehicular warfare than their Blaster counter-parts. I find this sort of strange considering how under-powered Railguns are in Eve Online, and insanely useful Blasters are by comparison. I use tier 2 small blasters on my dropships for when there are more vehicles than troops, and I so happen to magically have the 2 good gunners around, and I tear up anything short of a well tanked Sargaris. The railguns projectiles suffer a lot more from motion transfer than the blaster particles. Large Railguns are pro, mate.
Nellantar Ballsinya Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.07.16 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Large Railguns are pro, mate. I would totally fit them on my dropship if I could.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 259	Posted - 2012.07.16 22:24:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyone else think that Blasters are a bit under-powered when compared to their Eve-style brothers..? They apparently work well at short range, I just personally avoid them as I prefer to either A.) Snipe with railguns or B use missiles to splash damage everything and cover-be-damned (My large missile turret on my Sag' means that is every 2.5 seconds a salvo of 4 missiles each doing 225 direct/120 splash, so even if I miss with all 4 that is still 480 splash damage with a blast radius of 8 meters.) Small Blasters seem really great at anti-infantry, but the large ones just seem lackluster as the missiles produce more "fear" which I need to help give my friendly infantry cover. I've never been able to create a "bubble" that the enemy keeps away from when using blasters or acting as a gunner in a blaster tank because even though the DPS is nuts, it simply is not as scary as creating constant thunderstorms of 8 meter radius firestorms. Let's face it, a guy can weather a second or two of fire and not care from even high end small blaster turrets, where as a single splash of an AT-1 missile dealing 220 damage with a 5 meter splash will keep most infantry well away from the infantry you are trying to protect. You can pop out and take a few small blaster rounds and snap off shots at the infantry, but if a missile is blasting the entire side of your cover, you can't possibly weather it long enough to pop around the corner to snapshot if the entire corner is constantly exploding everything within 5 meters. Then again, I place a lot more value on intimidation and suppression fire then others might, but that is the best way to keep an area secure imo. EDIT: Also i want to point out that a single railgun salvo or missile salvo will clear an area of any REs, blasters can't do this.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.07.17 03:36:00 - [10] - Quote Do you guys think that (Large) Blasters should do splash damage? Honestly, I think Large Blasters should be something that puts off a sense of terror rather than, "Oh, it's just that, I can make it across the road if he's using that."

Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.07.17 03:45:00 - [11] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyone else think that Blasters are a bit under-powered when compared to their Eve-style brothers..? I haven't played EVE,but the large blasters suck,imo. Just like the railguns,I just can't tell where my shots are going,or if they are doing any damage.This is why I leave those things for people that are better using them than myself.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 259	Posted - 2012.07.17 03:52:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Do you guys think that (Large) Blasters should do splash damage? Honestly, I think Large Blasters should be something that puts off a sense of terror rather than, "Oh, it's just that, I can make it across the road if he's using that." Larges ones do indeed do splash damage, it is just extremely small.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.07.17 03:52:00 - [13] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyone else think that Blasters are a bit under-powered when compared to their Eve-style brothers..? I haven't played EVE,but the large blasters suck,imo. Just like the railguns,I just can't tell where my shots are going,or if they are doing any damage.This is why I leave those things for people that are better using them than myself. In Eve Online Rail-guns are useful depending on their ammo type. Javelin Rounds reduce range to danger close, but they receive faster tracking - when paired with a tracking computer they're deadly. They can also use Spike rounds which increase the range -dramatically- but reduce tracking; it's possible to hit up to and beyond 100km with that type of ammunition. Only issue is that it doesn't do much damage, relying solely on it's fast rate of fire. Blasters can be used with Null ammunition, which increases the range and tracking, but it's not much - you're sacrificing a lot of damage for slightly better hit rates. Void - a personal favorite of mine - is the absolute highest damage dealing you can get in game. You cannot get any higher with any other gun/ammo combo. The problem is that it has reduced tracking and with a danger-close range of 5-10km you have to plan your attack a bit more than other players. These are just a few of the ammo types, there's dozens. Honestly, I think Large Blasters should be more like Eve Online. Moderate rate of fire single shots (rather than auto-cannon styled as in Dust) with insanely high damage if there's not going to be any splash damage. Otherwise there's not much point in using them beyond Anti-Vehicular, which is entirely circumstantial.


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