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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:13:00 -
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 Going off what I know about the new War Dec system mixed with the fact that DUST Mercs and Capsuleers can join within the same corporation, what kind or affect will this have on the price of a War Dec.
To my knowledge War Dec prices are determined by the amount of members within the Corp you want to Dec. So by this fact, a Corp could inflate its member count with Dust Mercs just to become more expensive to Dec and therefore causing it to become harder to be Dec as well.
Looks to me like this could lead to an exploit.
Your thoughts?
ZionTCD.BlogSpot.com
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Quote:ThatGÇÖs because EVE and DUST share the same player-run corporations. That is to say, EVE Online players can join DUST 514 corps. Likewise, DUST 514 players can join EVE Online corporations.
Atli GÇ£PraetorianGÇ¥ Mar
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name unaffected
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:18:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Going off what I know about the new War Dec system mixed with the fact that DUST Mercs and Capsuleers can join within the same corporation, what kind or affect will this have on the price of a War Dec. To my knowledge War Dec prices are determined by the amount of members within the Corp you want to Dec. So by this fact, a Corp could inflate its member count with Dust Mercs just to become more expensive to Dec and therefore causing it to become harder to be Dec as well. Looks to me like this could lead to an exploit. Your thoughts? ZionTCD.BlogSpot.com
you have no idea how much money some eve players have. war is a constant in eve. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:25:00 -
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I do understand. What Im looking at is if you wanted to dec a corp with 25 Capsuleers for lets say a ransom but then they had 200 Dust Mercs to the count (Making it a member count of 225), your looking at like 500mill just to War Dec 25 ships |
name unaffected
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:33:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:I do understand. What Im looking at is if you wanted to dec a corp with 25 Capsuleers for lets say a ransom but then they had 200 Dust Mercs to the count (Making it a member count of 225), your looking at like 500mill just to War Dec 25 ships
that's the point. it wouldn't be fair to have a huge ass corp always dicking on a small corp just because of size. |
Cains Deus
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:35:00 -
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Just by the definition of mercenary means we have no allegiance to any one.
Has CCP said anything about dust having the ablity to join eve corps?
This also brings up something new, we Dusters will be 2nd class to EVE Capsuleers if we are used to manipulate things like this.
Eve will have a QQ fit and we will count as 1/2 a Capsuleer or less. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 07:03:00 -
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Cains Deus wrote:Just by the definition of mercenary means we have no allegiance to any one.
Has CCP said anything about dust having the ablity to join eve corps?
This also brings up something new, we Dusters will be 2nd class to EVE Capsuleers if we are used to manipulate things like this.
Eve will have a QQ fit and we will count as 1/2 a Capsuleer or less.
Quote:ThatGÇÖs because EVE and DUST share the same player-run corporations. That is to say, EVE Online players can join DUST 514 corps. Likewise, DUST 514 players can join EVE Online corporations.
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:42:00 -
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Did you really think I would post this question without knowing that fact Cains?
Some Corp member you are ;) |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:25:00 -
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"an Ishukone Black Ops variant Dropship fitted as a cloaked tackler with a faction Cloak module"
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counter logic
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:22:00 -
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1st blog
"The refined formula is: (log2.05831 N)^2 * 300000 * N^0.27, where N is the number of corp members (see also comments below). The minimum is 50 million."
"- It rises above 50 million around 130.
- It breaks the 100 million mark at 374.
- At 1000, the cost is 177 million.
- At 3000, the cost is 320 million.
- At 5000, the cost is 416 million."
"Trial accounts are not counted when counting corp membership."
"WeGÇÖve also implemented a good suggestion from Fanfest, which is that if you leave your corporation while it is engaged in a non-mutual war, then you will not be able to rejoin the corporation until that war ends, or until 7 days pass, whichever comes first."
2nd blog
"There is now a cap on how much the number of members in the defender corp/alliance can affect the war declaration cost. The cap is 500 million. Note that this is not a cap on total cost of war GÇô the multiplier for the number of wars you have declared still applies."
Oh and the cost for a wardec against 7200 man corp is 500mil. So I highly doubt you will ever be able to get enough people to join your corp to make war decing so hard on the wallet that the aggressors don't want to dec you. Even if you approach both EVE and Dust players. Since Dust players won't have subscriptions or spaceships it is unclear if their numbers will affect your war dec. I doubt they will especially if there is no real way a war dec would ever effect a dust player directly.
Also 500mil is a drop in the bucket to most corps in EVE. Especially ones interested war deccing.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=42269
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72889 |
Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:39:00 -
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counter logic wins, debate ended |
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:19:00 -
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counter logic wrote:1st blog
"The refined formula is: (log2.05831 N)^2 * 300000 * N^0.27, where N is the number of corp members (see also comments below). The minimum is 50 million."
"- It rises above 50 million around 130.
- It breaks the 100 million mark at 374.
- At 1000, the cost is 177 million.
- At 3000, the cost is 320 million.
- At 5000, the cost is 416 million."
"Trial accounts are not counted when counting corp membership."
"WeGÇÖve also implemented a good suggestion from Fanfest, which is that if you leave your corporation while it is engaged in a non-mutual war, then you will not be able to rejoin the corporation until that war ends, or until 7 days pass, whichever comes first."
2nd blog
"There is now a cap on how much the number of members in the defender corp/alliance can affect the war declaration cost. The cap is 500 million. Note that this is not a cap on total cost of war GÇô the multiplier for the number of wars you have declared still applies."
Thank you Counter logic for posting some facts on the math of the War Dec System. Though my numbers may have been wrong, the fact still stands that Dust members may influence the Member count of a Corp. All this has done is prove my point that numbers still affect cost.
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Ayures0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:21:00 -
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name unaffected wrote:you have no idea how much money some eve players have. war is a constant in eve.
This. I don't even look at my notifications anymore. There are always a bunch of new/renewed wardecs in there. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:33:00 -
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Ayures0 wrote:name unaffected wrote:you have no idea how much money some eve players have. war is a constant in eve. This. I don't even look at my notifications anymore. There are always a bunch of new/renewed wardecs in there.
Okay, IGÇÖll except the fact EVE Capsuleers just donGÇÖt care. Just keep in mind that it was a DUST Merc that tried to fix a coming EVE problem. |
counter logic
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:34:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:
Thank you Counter logic for posting some facts on the math of the War Dec System. Though my numbers may have been wrong, the fact still stands that Dust members may influence the Member count of a Corp. All this has done is prove my point that numbers still affect cost.
Thank you ;).
You are right in that we really do not know if dust players will affect war cost or not. Though it is a reasonably assumption that they will not due to the fact they have no assets in space, the MCC will be invulnerable to EVE players. EVE players are the only players that have a risk in a war dec in EVE. We do not know how planetary invasion or interaction will work (it will include some sort of district system). But whether or not it requires a war dec to invade these districts is unclear. It will most likely not since high sec is the only place where war decs truely benefit the aggressors. And you cannot take sov/planets in High sec because they are controlled by the empires. So with all of this factored in I cannot see a reason Dust players would be included into the member count for war decs.
And yes you are right that member count does effect war cost each payment. |
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