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JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.18 02:55:00 -
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He is dead right they wont stick around to be bullet sponges! there is one solution get rid of the all the SP!! this is not EVE this is DUST 514 FPS, have a fixed price for each suit ASSULT, HEAVY, SCOUT,LOGISTICS. THAT when you buy the ASSULT this is the armor this is the shields and the rest of the fittings that can be put on that suit ! and so goes for all the rest of the suits. For the vehicles set each one up with specific fittings and set price for them, for the weapons everybody can use what weapon suits them or what ever they prefer.
SP is nothing but bullshit to keep you online playing just as they did for EVE because it takes you years to learn all those skills I know ive been on now for 6 years have 96 mill skill points and im maybe half way through its a good thing that i realy like EVE or i would of been gone at 2 mill. its just a gimmick by CCP and a good one at that so you stay on and they keep making money, but if you have a good enough game that they all can enjoy!!! they will stick around.
IM not in favor of the skills for DUST 514 and you will also find out im afraid that the console players wont stick around for that. Right now you have 9 out of 10 that are EVE players wait till you start get more and more console guys. |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.18 12:52:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote:JONLUK167 wrote:SP is nothing but bullshit to keep you online playing just as they did for EVE because it takes you years to learn all those skills I know ive been on now for 6 years have 96 mill skill points and im maybe half way through its a good thing that i realy like EVE or i would of been gone at 2 mill. its just a gimmick by CCP and a good one at that so you stay on and they keep making money, but if you have a good enough game that they all can enjoy!!! they will stick around. In game development you have to manage Flow & Fiero to make sure that your players remain engaged in the game. The SP system is incredibly effective at managing this in a sandbox environment by allowing for gradual escalation of the player's power & the range of roles they can fill. As an EVE player I'm sure you remember what it felt like to be able to fly your first "awesome" frigate. You probably remember what it felt like each time you scaled up a bit in power & saw the universe cower before you. It's going to be very similar with this. As you play, the gear you unlock doesn't make you a better player but does give you more chances for "wins" and makes you more formidable than you were before, which can be a win all by itself.
Yeah bud i do remember it took me years to get in to different types of ships but I stuck around, The difference is that not all will wait, I tried to get my friends to join me in EVE but when they saw how long it takes to get into those ships none stayed! MY son lasted one year and said im done hes on xbox at least 5 to 7 hours a day with his friends and they wont put up with waiting to fit into anything thats the problem CCP is going to run into with DUST these console guys want it NOW not years from NOW.
Most of the responses that are in the forums now are from eve players, im waiting to here just from console players that have not played one day or even herd of eve to get there take, CCP maid this game to get them not us from EVE and by the way you should take a pole and see how many EVE players dont want this game to make it you may be shocked!
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JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:37:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:JONLUK167 wrote:Yeah bud i do remember it took me years to get in to different types of ships but I stuck around, The difference is that not all will wait, I tried to get my friends to join me in EVE but when they saw how long it takes to get into those ships none stayed! MY son lasted one year and said im done hes on xbox at least 5 to 7 hours a day with his friends and they wont put up with waiting to fit into anything thats the problem CCP is going to run into with DUST these console guys want it NOW not years from NOW.
Most of the responses that are in the forums now are from eve players, im waiting to here just from console players that have not played one day or even herd of eve to get there take, CCP maid this game to get them not us from EVE and by the way you should take a pole and see how many EVE players dont want this game to make it you may be shocked! DUST won't have that bad a problem though. MOST of the basic gear has a Militia version you'll be able to use immediately. You don't need to train into SMGs before the game lets you upgrade from the Pistol in the default loadouts. Assuming you don't pour SP into things immediately, you can start out by finding yourself a niche - find something that, while your baseline stats might prevent you from being GOOD, you're doing slightly better in. Or at least something you ENJOY doing more than the other roles. By the time you've identified your best/most fun role, you SHOULD already have a few SPs to pile onto the relevant skills - and a small stockpile of ISK to pour into the next tier of gear. If you're not careful, you'll run through that new and pretty gear too fast, and have to save up for more - but that's one of the lessons of New Eden: Don't bring it if you can't afford to lose it. If this (relative) noob has read up on New Eden, or got good advice from a friend, they'll only bring their shiny new suits out to play when it's important - or at least profitable, and will stick to the Militia gear for the majority of most battles. By the time you can build up the necessary SP for the next tier of gear in your chosen profession, you'll probably also have saved up the ISK to buy it - exactly as it should be. In the early stages of the game, upgrades will come to you quickly. It's only as you build up in a particular specialty that it becomes time-consuming. And that's how it SHOULD be, and what most shooters LACK. It's the reason most shooters only hold their fanbase for a year (if that) before everyone move on to the next big thing. EDIT: I should also mention - console gamer for YEARS now, never played EVE, but I know a little about it.
The bottom line is SP will not work with DUST keep it in EVE. You will see, just have them be able to fit into any suit or vehicle own any type of weapon of there choice as long as they can afford it then let THE SKILLS OF EACH PLAYER TAKE OVER NO SP NEEDED!! |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:40:00 -
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[Templar Two wrote:So newcomers that come in looking for a MMO will have to play in a Matchmaking FPS (High-sec); do you really think this is fine? This idea that the game has to babysit players into the action is so RPG and so anti FPS. Holding players' hand in FPS is a mistake...a big one. Separating players based on their SP is also bad in a FPS MMO; Why would anyone play a FPS MMO just to be stuck with a ranked FPS?
Needing in-game skills & unlocks to compete appropriately is something that won't be appealing to someone that has played FPS for decades. Would you ask a Tekken veteran to unlock moves for his favourite character or he can't compete appropriately?
Some games like FPS & Fighting Games are based on player's skills and if you "limit" what a skilled player can do you inevitably negate their true essence. What works for RPG doesn't work for FPS! What works for EVE doesn't work for Dust 514.
Also are maps in Low/Null-sec perpetual battlefields?
WHAT WORKS FOR EVE DOESN'T WORK FOR DUST I AGREE 100% AND THEY WILL FIND THAT OUT THE HARD WAY!! |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.20 13:02:00 -
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6thAD Lord Kermit wrote:JONLUK167 wrote: Yeah bud i do remember it took me years to get in to different types of ships but I stuck around, The difference is that not all will wait, I tried to get my friends to join me in EVE but when they saw how long it takes to get into those ships none stayed! MY son lasted one year and said im done hes on xbox at least 5 to 7 hours a day with his friends and they wont put up with waiting to fit into anything thats the problem CCP is going to run into with DUST these console guys want it NOW not years from NOW. Most of the responses that are in the forums now are from eve players, im waiting to here just from console players that have not played one day or even herd of eve to get there take, CCP maid this game to get them not us from EVE and by the way you should take a pole and see how many EVE players dont want this game to make it you may be shocked! This "instant gratification" you speak of is the bane of every society. Teaching our children patience and working toward a long term goal can help alleviate this undesirable behaviour. There might be quite a few EVE players that don't want this game. There are also quite a few who do. Regardless, I doubt CCP is going to scrap the game. So you might as well accept reality and live with it. I disagree totally with people saying this is not a console game. The writing is NOT "on the wall"! The game hasn't even gone live yet. SERIOUSLY?!? While I agree that the game could benifit from the added functionality that a true computer brings to the table, the PS3 is quite capable of handling what this game requires. Yes there have been thousands of keys handed out. And if you truly think about timezones and daily allowable play time in peoples schedules you would see that actually the total number of players has skyrocketed in the last 2 months (give or take). When I started beta you were lucky to see 100 people on any given server at any given time of day... Now you can regularly find 300-500 on some servers at any given time of the day. It is true that there will be a certiain amount of "player" attrition that this game will go through. Every game does. And quite frankly (no offense to them) those people who drop out for one reason or another; all the more power to them. Those that stay will find themselves a part of the first game of its genre and one that every game developer will be trying to copy. (Look up other upcoming games and see how many are copying CCP's ideas on MMOFPS or cross-game/platrform interlinks. World of Tanks/Planes and Battleships anyone?) Good ol fashioned FPS are cool and all, but they grow stale quickly with the same gameplay over and over. And they are a dime a dozen... How many CoD's are there now? How many Medal of Honor's? Personally I'm willing to give CCP the benifit of the doubt and see where this game is going before I condemn it. Those of you who really think this game is going nowhere, I wish you luck in your search for a better game. P.S. No I'm not a "fanboy"... I'm just far less pessimistic than the rest of you.
IVE waited for this game a long time i want it to make it and make it big, i fought with my boy on what game was going to be bigger HALO or DUST and he an avid HALO freak anlong with 100 of his friends and they wont bother even trying to give this game a chance thats the problem that CCP is going to have, and guys like you that put down console players are not good publicity for CCP. The money is in console games CCP knows this and wants into the muti billion $$ industry and as for the way i bring up my children one is off to college at the age of 17 and my other got to skip 8th grade and go on to 9th.
When guys like you say it should of been on the PC who the **** has the money to dish out for a PC that can handle these types of games and why would you when you can go and buy a PS3, XBOX, WII for$ 200 to$ 300 a good PC will cost you $1500 and up to play the games they put out today!! GET REAL
They need a better marketing strategy!!!!!! |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.21 02:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:jus nukem wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:jus nukem wrote:the typical console fps player, (which is the target audience of course) I'm pretty sure it's NOT, actually. They're after the people who AREN'T sitting there waiting to pour everything into the next CoD or BF game, and instead want something NEW and DIFFERENT, but who play those games as placeholders while hoping for a change. While something "NEW" and "DIFFERENT" is always a good thing, the typical console player won't embrace the complexities that DUST 514 brings to the table. A large pool of console players who play shooters are strictly about k/d ratio n that is it. A large pool of console players won't be interested. Another, equally large pool of console players ARE interested. And we're also drawing a portion of the EVE crowd in from PC, along with a few of their friends who wouldn't NORMALLY be interested, but are willing to give it a look and help out their spacer friends from ground level. Having friends in a tie-in game like EVE is for DUST can be enough incentive for some people to stick with something that's a little off their usual preference. One of my best friends can happily play a game with instant gratification for HOURS on end, but has no patience for games with long-running skill trees and things. I'm planning to suggest that he downloads the game and sets up several characters, then leaves it alone until he's built up a decent collection of SP from the passive gains so he can start off with a bit of an edge over other noobs. I suspect that if he gets to see immediate returns like he will with that SP headstart, he'll probably be able to get into the game easier than he would picking it up day one.
WOW dowload the game wait for a year to build up SP then come and play with me thats what your going with!
GET RID OF SP NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE!! YOU MADE ARE CASE THANKS
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JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.21 22:28:00 -
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#71 Posted: 2012.07.21 03:53 | Report Like 1 JONLUK167 wrote:WOW dowload the game wait for a year to build up SP then come and play with me thats what your going with!
GET RID OF SP NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE!! YOU MADE ARE CASE THANKS
I'm saying it's AN option, not the ONLY option.
You could also try to learn about something called "patience" - and a little bit of something else called "maturity" might help in New Eden as well (although rumours claim Goonswarm will value you more without that second part). If you're unsure what those things are (they're difficult concepts for many of my fellow console gamers), feel free to track down an interesting device known as a "dictionary" - and I hope your reading comprehension is at a decent level, because if not, DUST probably isn't for you anyway.
Calm down, learn English a little better ("you made are case" ... REALLY?), and try again when you can coherently present a rational argument, instead of babbling incoherent stream of consciousness poetry at people who are trying to have a conversation. Thanks.
I must first apologize to those of you who thought I was yelling. I do have a bad habit of leaving the caps on. At times it is just because I am trying to make a quick comment/point. I am also aware of my grammar error. I just didn't realize that someone with such "maturity" and educational standards would have the time to sit around and read/respond to these message boards. I will be sure to reread my posts and not be so quick to post my comments in the future. I am patient. I have been very patient. My "rational argument" is actually for those people who haven't been on Eve for years. I have spoken to several other gamers, trying to convince them to come try Dust. Their complaints are all the same. The time they have to invest is not something they are looking to do. The ignorant comments from the PC players about the console players are ridiculous. For a game to truly be as big as they want it to be, they must be able to target many people. I play both PC and console games. I enjoy both. I also enjoy strategy games. Yes, games that require thought. I have been on Eve for over six years. Yes, it's true, my reading comprehension has allowed me to play with the intellectuals for that long. I surely hope you are not a representative of CCP, because with the disrespectual way you talk to veteran Eve players, you may just cost them a few accounts. To insult the console players is not the way to bring them in to play the game. Obviously you feel that your intellect is far above the rest, I hope you are able to understand my English this time around. I will continue to work on my poetry but in the meantime, please feel free to spell/grammar check me. |
JONLUK167
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.22 12:47:00 -
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Mr TamiyaCowboy wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Silax Minour wrote:And, I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that all the Beta Characters are going to be wiped when the gold version releases, i.e. we will ALL be back to sqaure one with our characters. IF that is the case, I do hope that CCP hooks up us Beta Testers with SOMETHING! Maybe some extra BPO's or maybe lets us keep a percentage of the SP we have earned? I assume this because of the disclaimer when I got the Merc Pack saying that I would have ALL my AUR refunded... Pre-release wipe - some people have said (I haven't seen a confirmed source personally) that we'll get about a week after the wipe before the actual release. But in saying that, keep in mind we're currently earning SP at 4x the intended rate. . your kidding us right 4x intended. going to be very brutal here, if that sp gain is not shifted higher, people will not play dust. hell i am very a tuned to the skilling here, but even i am struggling to gain sp . my max ever was 20,000 my reaction " omfg its mah birthdayz ?" or ccp done a booboo. now its barely 8,000sp max. no wonder the camping is rife, its not KB hoe's, its a flawed game mechanic to gain SP on a higher level that others !!boosters for arum to speed up the SP gain, NO if is just arum it is unfair. those boosters should also be purchased with isk if need be CCP needs to bring in Learning skills to dust, so that sp gain can be boosted alot. the skill tree works for eve it is a very long term game, what works in eve sometimes does not work in other games.
Thank you bud this guy just dosent get it, when the sp drops to 10,000 per game how long will it take to reach level 5 on some of the skill wich need close to 1mill to complete! Right now Im getting from 60,000 to 100,000 and some times alot more. |
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