DUST Search - We need to have a serious talk about the Sagaris.

Kyy Seiska wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

Kyy Seiska wrote:

Rhadiem wrote:

If you don't have Prototype Swarm Launcher or Prototype Forge gun trained you really shouldn't be making or posting complaints about Marauder tanks. Someone's invested millions into their fit, put down your AR and train an AV solution to an appropriate level. I've killed several and only have the upgraded SL.

Prototype swarm launcher shoots 2 more missiles than the normal one, and one more than the tier-2 one. This is not a lot when you consider one missile (if it hits) deals only 350 damage. Not to mention how the weapon actually takes some time to load like the forge gun.

Now you are at the point of the problem, currently no matter how much ISK or SP you spend on anti-vehicle equipment you don't get such super weapons comparable to these marauders.

Fact: Prototype forge gun does more per shot and dps at max skills than a marauder.

Fact2: Prototype forge gun doesn't come with 2 rocket turrets nor make you close to invulnerable.


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.09 11:56:00 - [1] - Quote I've seen a Sagaris die while I was shooting at it with my Militia Swarm Launcher. I'm pretty sure our Eryx pilot was a major factor in its destruction. We had a well-geared Dropship staying outside the Tank's line of fire, and occasionally dropping AV soldiers (myself included) onto nearby rooftops when he had more passengers than gunners. By the time it went down, half our team was running AV builds or vehicles of their own. I don't think they need nerfing. I think they're good right now in terms of power. What they need is a price hike, and the devs have already said they're doing that.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.09 13:20:00 - [2] - Quote Other than that minor contribution I mentioned where the Eryx did most of the work, I've never seen a Sagaris die... ...but I've had several that picked up less than 10 kills in the match because I kept them chasing the ghosts of my Swarm trails. It's nice to know that people using high-tier gear can actually hurt them. Thanks for the confirmation Nova.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.11 22:55:00 - [3] - Quote Kyy Seiska wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Kyy Seiska wrote: Rhadiem wrote: If you don't have Prototype Swarm Launcher or Prototype Forge gun trained you really shouldn't be making or posting complaints about Marauder tanks. Someone's invested millions into their fit, put down your AR and train an AV solution to an appropriate level. I've killed several and only have the upgraded SL. Prototype swarm launcher shoots 2 more missiles than the normal one, and one more than the tier-2 one. This is not a lot when you consider one missile (if it hits) deals only 350 damage. Not to mention how the weapon actually takes some time to load like the forge gun. Now you are at the point of the problem, currently no matter how much ISK or SP you spend on anti-vehicle equipment you don't get such super weapons comparable to these marauders. Fact: Prototype forge gun does more per shot and dps at max skills than a marauder. Fact2: Prototype forge gun doesn't come with 2 rocket turrets nor make you close to invulnerable. Doesn't cost even 1/4 as much either. Point? If I can keep a player in a well-fitted Marauder down to 4 - 0 K/D by making sure I'm the only one they focus on, while using no gear that needs replacing (Dragonfly, Toxin, Militia Swarm Launcher and Locus Grenades), someone with decent gear should be able to do the same with less effort. I only went 2 - 4, but I kept at least 150,000ISK out of the fight without losing ANYTHING, and my team won because the other team had 3 people in a vehicle hunting down one REALLY annoying Scout. Good gear doesn't always mean good player. In the above example, REALLY not. Lunatic + Scout Suit > 3 idiots + Tank. In another match, my Swarm Launcher fire, while not powerful, has provided enough of a diversion to let a Dropship get above and start raining fire, while a couple of Forge Gunners got into positions elsewhere nearby. End result? Dead tank, no deaths to any of our attackers. Again, I was running free gear against something extremely expensive. And that's before you consider what REAL teamwork will bring to the game, or hte massive bump in price for tanks that's been mentioned.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.12 12:40:00 - [4] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: we know that forge guns are too stronk :) when the splash damage can one shot scout suits then something is really wrong. So what you're saying it that a weapon that's designed to carve holes in tanks should be struggling to kill the lightest armoured infantry in the game? As a career Scout, I have to disagree with that assessment. I like needing some measure of caution when I go up against people with heavy weapons. As with tanks, that's the whole point. I think I've died twice against Forge Guns so far - both when I diverted the shooter from their real target. Once it was a tank, the other time it was a Dropship. Both times, they killed the Heavy in question within seconds of my death.