DUST Search - [Feedback&suggestions] High SP vs Low SP. Will New players in 1-2years stay?

Ronin Odachi wrote:

I absolutely agree that noobs should be able to contend with vets, but where we differ is in how difficult we think it is to do that. A noob in full militia can still be effective as a part of a group, or if he gets the drop on an enemy, never mind if he specs into something.

As an EVE player, you should know this too; EVE noobs are able to contend with the rest of us by focusing on depth rather than breadth of skills. If noobs are provided with enough SP right off the bat to spec into some half-decent tier 1 gear, they'll be even more effective.

I do like the idea of vets getting reduced SP for killing noobs, and noobs should get more for killing vets. However, I'm thinking more along the lines of 50% reduction as the absolute maximum, or a 100% increase max for noobs. Only getting 12% of the SP you would get otherwise would just be frustrating, and punish players for playing the game longer.

Now I'm not sure how the game determines how much SP you get each battle behind the scenes, but I think that reductions should work as follows: if a player kills another player say, 10 million or more SP below them, they get a 50% reduction in SP for that one kill. At 9 million different, it would be 45%, at 8, 40%, etc. (The discrepancy would likely have to be increased for the maximum and scaled, but you get the idea)

The inverse would be true for noobs; for killing someone 10 million SP or more above you, you get twice as many SP, 100% increase. For 9 million, 90% more, etc. Again, this would likely be a higher SP difference, and scaled.

Using that system would give vets more incentive to capture and hack rather than kill, as they would get no SP reduction for such actions. Noobs would be well rewarded for vet kills, but the comparative ease of completing non-combat objectives would also promote teamwork. The end result would be vets being punished less, noobs being able to catch up more quickly and being rewarded for what many of them likely came to do in the first place: shoot people in the face. As they advance, they'll stick around; come for the pew pew, stay for the depth.

EDIT: not sure how quickly the average player will be able to acquire SP (without modifiers), so the above system is more about the paradigm than the actual numbers.


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.06 12:22:00 - [1] - Quote The system is already built so the more valuable skills require a greater investment, and remember we're currently running at 4x actual SP earnings. At a certain point, instead of upskilling, you'll only have the option to diversify, becoming good at MORE things rather than becoming better at what you choose to do. I think it would be nice if they incorporate a system where low-level players gain bonus SP for taking out more experienced players, and those high-level players get less reward for beating on the cannon fodder. I'm not sure what the exact modifier should be or how to apply it, but I'm sure CCP can come up with something.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.06 14:55:00 - [2] - Quote I don't think you should punish a player because they've been playing a long time. If you're an intermittent player with about 2 million SP and 3 years' experience, you shouldn't be at a disadvantage in SP earning against someone who's been highly active and managed to build up 2 million SP in 6 months. The amount of time you've been part of DUST shouldn't reduce your active SP earnings. That punished long-term players instead of rewarding them. The increasing SP requirements for higher-level skills is enough penalty in itself.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.06 15:59:00 - [3] - Quote Ronin Odachi wrote: I absolutely agree that noobs should be able to contend with vets, but where we differ is in how difficult we think it is to do that. A noob in full militia can still be effective as a part of a group, or if he gets the drop on an enemy, never mind if he specs into something. As an EVE player, you should know this too; EVE noobs are able to contend with the rest of us by focusing on depth rather than breadth of skills. If noobs are provided with enough SP right off the bat to spec into some half-decent tier 1 gear, they'll be even more effective. I do like the idea of vets getting reduced SP for killing noobs, and noobs should get more for killing vets. However, I'm thinking more along the lines of 50% reduction as the absolute maximum, or a 100% increase max for noobs. Only getting 12% of the SP you would get otherwise would just be frustrating, and punish players for playing the game longer. Now I'm not sure how the game determines how much SP you get each battle behind the scenes, but I think that reductions should work as follows: if a player kills another player say, 10 million or more SP below them, they get a 50% reduction in SP for that one kill. At 9 million different, it would be 45%, at 8, 40%, etc. (The discrepancy would likely have to be increased for the maximum and scaled, but you get the idea) The inverse would be true for noobs; for killing someone 10 million SP or more above you, you get twice as many SP, 100% increase. For 9 million, 90% more, etc. Again, this would likely be a higher SP difference, and scaled. Using that system would give vets more incentive to capture and hack rather than kill, as they would get no SP reduction for such actions. Noobs would be well rewarded for vet kills, but the comparative ease of completing non-combat objectives would also promote teamwork. The end result would be vets being punished less, noobs being able to catch up more quickly and being rewarded for what many of them likely came to do in the first place: shoot people in the face. As they advance, they'll stick around; come for the pew pew, stay for the depth. EDIT: not sure how quickly the average player will be able to acquire SP (without modifiers), so the above system is more about the paradigm than the actual numbers. I like how you're thinking here. +1 Very similar to what I was thinking, but MUCH better worded than I would have been able to manage.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.17 09:18:00 - [4] - Quote King Snuggler wrote: The problem is with that is a lot of people don't like to read things... I'm pretty sure the correct answer to that is "Welcome to New Eden" If you don't like reading, you're playing in the wrong-est universe here.