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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.09 15:30:00 -
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Good luck! Also...please remember to save all your caps, just in case  .
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.09 17:18:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think Sweden put it best when they called him a less clever version of Nixon.
Italians sees him as a dumbed down Berlusconi, so, yeah.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.09 21:16:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Don't worry... He'll bankrupt your country within 4 years and then he'll be out. I am hoping he is impeached before then. I don't like Pence, but I don't think he is evil. Pence thinks you can cure homosexuality with electroshock therapy. He also believes the theory of evolution is a farce. "Homo" Sapiens? So... electrocute everyone?
Well, I guess this would make America great again
Jokes aside....really? I mean, I'm Italian and have the vatican city almost next door and still even here we are thought in every school that evolution is the answer and it's common knowledge that homosexuality is not an illness. How can anybody think evolution is a farce? Or homosexuality an illness? Even more so, how can a President or a vice president of one of world's leading country think that? How can the USA vice president think that?
I thought America was the world most progressive country. And us europeans were like the conservatory side of the world... I must have been very mistaken all the time, then. Even the pope is much more progressive than that, like infinitely more progressive. Yes, the pope.
Anyway, it's your business, just please try convince him at least that global warming is a thing - I'd love to visit the Netherlands and would love to keep Venice above the sea level.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.10 02:48:00 -
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The KTM Duke wrote:So...now America has fake pizza, fake mafia and fake berlusconi. You laughed so hard for years and now you are in a worse situation, i mean, our pizza is amazing 
I'll tell you what, Trump is Berlusconi. Berlusconi 2.0 actually and there's a very important upgrade.
Hairs.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.10 14:11:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Protected Void wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:And as almost all other elections, pretty much nothing will change... Maybe...although letting an egomaniac narcissist with no ability to admit flaws in his own judgement, abilites and decisions - and with the impulse control of a golden retriever puppy, I might add - have access to the nuclear launch codes...seems like a less than ideal situation. I just feel like many people over estimate the actual power a president has.
Still, people seems to also underestimate the power of the US President. Don't want to go too much into details, but the president of the US being constantly listed into the top 3 most powerful people in the world must mean something. Yes, in a democracy there must be multi level monitoring bodies which ensure that a single man does not gain too much power, but in every democracy there's also a way that let the governor govern in case he does not have the full endorsement of some of the monitoring bodies / other branches of government (not sure about the US, but I believe it's the Senate there).
So, while it's improbable that he by himself would ever decide to use nukes anywhere, it is not improbable that he could take very extreme measures that would certainly destabilize many other countries (in case of foreign politics) and US itself (in case of domestic policy).
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.10 17:09:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Jokes aside....really? I mean, I'm Italian and have the vatican city almost next door and still even here we are thought in every school that evolution is the answer and it's common knowledge that homosexuality is not an illness. How can anybody think evolution is a farce? Or homosexuality an illness? Even more so, how can a President or a vice president of one of world's leading country think that? How can the USA vice president think that?
I thought America was the world most progressive country. And us europeans were like the conservatory side of the world... I must have been very mistaken all the time, then. Even the pope is much more progressive than that, like infinitely more progressive. Yes, the pope.
Anyway, it's your business, just please try convince him at least that global warming is a thing - I'd love to visit the Netherlands and would love to keep Venice above the sea level. The America you thought you knew stops 100 to 500 miles from the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. In large parts of inland America Ignorance is seen as a virtue. Homer Simon is seen as a role model. And Education is viewed with suspicion. I recall a Senator being criticized for being able to speak more than one language. It was dam near a scandal.
I pretty much share your opinion here, since I have been able to know something about New York and Boston (have family living there). Still, that is also divisive and won't do any good. That's actually 50% of the population which, yes, might not be well educated but is still able of ratiocinium. Which implies that they're doing (in this case, voting for) what's best for them based on the informations they got.
Now, I hope people will follow me on this reasoning, this is a crucial point.
- Classic mass media was overwhelmingly in favour of Clinton, not strictly because of Clinton herself, but because of the alternative.
- New media, as far as I've seen (like the entire internet) was overwhelmingly in favour of Trump.
- The new trend is that classic media are "controlled" by the government, so, should not be trusted. This, again, thanks to the internet.
- Less educated people might have simply decided that the internet holds the answer and that mass media are compromised because some dude on the internet with thousands of followers/views/likes etc told them while the very unpopular ones told them that voting Trump was a bad thing
- Profit! Whoever get the most out of the internet wins.
This has been true with
1) Brexit ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcwuBo4PvE0,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZ9EIOQzXU,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33BDDAUV8vg)
2) Trump ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPUjOJ6YPYY,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaFsPKjZdo,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9118K9ejqU)
Well you got the point, I could go on with FN in France, M5S in Italy etc.
So, people, please. Use Internet responsably. I never thought I would have said that in my entire life.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.10 17:36:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Your tears are delicious! Tears of excitement and mirth. This should be a good show! There is nothing I can do about it, so no point in stressing. Better the grab my popcorn and watch Rome burn (metaphorical historical reference). And from Canada I have a front row seat.  ...Most Republicans don't know where Canada is, so I should be safe. Not so fun for anyone living in the US though. 
While canadians might just enjoy the show, Russia is smiling, EU as institution is anxious, France is "We might be next", Eastern Europeans are literally terrorized.
I am confident tho that Trump has good councilors and that the worst case scenario is not likely to happen. But never say never.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.10 18:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:It was funny yesterday, watching the reports on the Canadian news about protest in the US, and then 3 hours later a reporter from CNN is sent to Trump Tower to do an onsite report and low and behold there is a protest going on that CNN apparently does not know anything about. It got more hilarious when they continue to try to do their scripted interview with the reporter about what Trump likely did that day, the whole time with the on site reporter struggling not to be distracted by all the Protesters yelling all around him.
CNN did start covering the protests an hour later, but it was funny how hard they worked to stick to the script.
I don't think the US news is controlled by the Government, but the people responsible for it care more about creating an entertainment show than covering news.
Another example is on Election night, CNN never covered the guy shooting people at a poling station in California. Now, me, I would think that voters standing in line getting shot at would be election news, but it was not part of their script so CNN did not cover it.
When I lived in the US in the late 90's I felt like I had to watch a foreign station to get any actual news. American news is mostly just opinion and commentary with only the occasional fact thrown in.
So it's clear that based on your source you make an opinion. If your only source told you that "the system" is controlled by "the enstablishment", therefor you should not trust "the media", that the "experts" always conspire against population and you should never trust their analysis and all the other dumb things you may find everywhere, who would you vote for? If my source of information kept telling me that Clinton is Satan and they have "proof" I might not think she really is Satan, but I would think it would be better to vote for "anyone but her".
Don't get me wrong tho, it's not a US problem alone. Every country has its own share of sh*t.
Some years ago the mighty italian "Lega Nord" made the EU Parliament discuss on "Aliens spying on us because they fear our nuclear capabilities". The other geniuses of "Movimento 5 Stelle" made a parliamentary interrogation on "chem trails and how to stop them" while UKIP MEPs asked for clarifications on the "Kalergi plan that Eurocrats don't want us to know. The plan to destroy the european race and create a new race by letting in all the muslims" basically.
All I can say is that the only sources I could find backing the statements above are Youtube videos about conspiracy theories and fictional literature. But it's not their fault. There must be a reason why they believe it was true and I suspect it's due to complete misinformation and/or misinterpretation. Or at least I hope so.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.14 05:35:00 -
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The KTM Duke wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:The KTM Duke wrote:So...now America has fake pizza, fake mafia and fake berlusconi. You laughed so hard for years and now you are in a worse situation, i mean, our pizza is amazing I'll tell you what, Trump is Berlusconi. Berlusconi 2.0 actually and there's a very important upgrade. Hairs. Well, i find far more relevant the fact that trump got elected when all americans know about his attitude, while berlusconi was destroyed by bunga-bunga. These elections were like the last elections in italy, clinton was like PD, they could only lose due to their own mistakes and so it happened.
Well, yes. Not that I liked Berlusconi's policies that much, but at least he tried to "hide" his nature. And I do agree on PD, even tho from my perspective it's a bit more complicated.
*The following is about italian politics: you might very well be totally uninterested, but I'll still type in english because...you never know perhaps tomorrow someone will suddenly be interested*
I've already said elsewhere I'm pretty much a right-winger. Hold on, I know what you're thinking and no. Salvini and Meloni are a shame to me.
From my perspective people like me don't really know who should they vote because no one share their own opinions in our politics right now. Our right wing now is just a mess of anti-eu populistic M5S fac-simile with little to no insight on pretty much anything. All they do is blaming the immigrants (and actually forgetting our very recent past and even pretending not to see all the trains and airplanes and even buses that transports load of italians all over Europe, especially Germany and UK) and the current goverment and the Euro and European Union. Isn't it that it's simply their own fault? Our own fault.
20 years of Berlusconi made the huge public debt we have now and 40 years of corruption made us slide from 3rd to 6th-7th in terms of GDP. The world financial crisis gave the last hit and now we're ready to blame anything, but "ourselves".
Now, would I really vote for any of them? Of course not. So let's see, I could vote for M5S! That huge mass of tinfoil hattery/conspiracy theorist that believes that the solution to all the problems is just printing more money! Little did they know that printing more money to pay national debt has been proven disastrous each time a country did such an careless monetary policy. Just to name one of their absurd policies.
Then, PD. It would be perfect, but... they really don't want me to vote for them. I believe they are actually doing everything it takes to lose. And by the way this would always be the very last resort to a right-wing man like me.
So, while I might not vote at all for the next elections (for the first time), other "moderates" might join the xenofobes or the tinfoil hattery. And of course, a conspiracy theorist is "a bit" more attractive than a xenofobe.
Quest'ultima parte te la scrivo in italiano
Mi attirer+¦ le ire (anche se effettivamente +¿ difficile che passi chiunque da questo forum) dei berlusconiani e della nuova destra, ma l'unico modo per convincermi ad andare a votare di nuovo o addirittura di votare dall'estero nel caso dovessi gi+á essere in Germania quando eventualmente si voter+á, sarebbe di vedere il nome di Fini in lista senza nessunissima alleanza con la destra di oggi, poich+¿ in quel caso non voterei nemmeno lui. Vedere Salvini e Meloni che inneggiano a Trump e a Putin significa veramente, per me, toccare il fondo. Fortunatamente, diventer+¦ un immigrato, cosa che tanto odiano imiei "amici" di destra. Credo che, in fondo, pur di non iniziare ad odiare ci+¦ che amo, son disposto ad andarmene.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.11.15 20:07:00 -
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The KTM Duke wrote:purtroppo son pienamente d'accordo con te e dico purtroppo perch+¿ non ne vedo un'uscita e sto comunque sperando che renzi smetta di legare le sue sorti al referendum, perch+¿ cosi spiana la strada a chi vuol votare" no" solo per mandarlo a casa non capendo che ora come ora +¿ il male minore, salvini onestamente non puo rappresentare un paese, tante idee condivisibili ma modi e toni sbagliati, 5 stelle hai gia detto tu...
Eh, ma per quanto riguarda i 5 stelle, possiamo parlarne quanto ne vogliamo di quanto siano assurde le proposte, il fatto +¿ che andranno al governo nel caso si dovesse votare. Ed +¿ un fatto, godono di un consenso immenso. Consenso che non capisco e non capir+¦ mai. Pensa te che sono riuscito a capire perch+¿ Mussolini ebbe un consenso pressocch+¿ plebiscitario ma ancora non riesco a capire perch+¿ i movimenti populisti, nel 2016, quando si suppone che la gente sia mediamente pi+¦ acculturata e si informi meglio, quando si suppone che non siamo pi+¦ ai livelli socio/economici degli anni '20 del secolo scorso e nonostante questo facciamo ancora gli stessi identici errori del medioevo, oltre mille anni fa.
"La chiesa +¿ brutta e cattiva perch+¿ ha fatto l'inquisizione, perch+¿ la guerra santa, perch+¿ le crociate, perch+¿ la caccia alle streghe, perch+¿ Gerusalemme". Verissimo, erano bugie, falsit+á montate in modo da aizzare la gente in cambio della "assoluzione" dai pecati. Ma, aspetta.
C'+¿ giusto "qualcuno" tra i partiti politici che d+á ancora la caccia alle streghe. Solo, cambiano le streghe e gli inquisitori, ma la storia +¿ la stessa.
Per salvini +¿ colpa degli immigrati e della UE, per la UE +¿ colpa degli stati mediterranei e del loro rapporto debito/pil enorme, per la Grecia +¿ colpa dell'Euro, per i cinque stelle sono i "poteri forti" (esilarante ogni volta che ne sento parlare, tra l'altro), per Trump i messicani e il messico, per i brexiters erano gli europei, gli europei dell'est o i polacchi, per i polacchi +¿ colpa degli immigrati che, tra l'altro, non hanno sul loro territorio.
Quanto invece sarebbe pi+¦ semplice dire la verit+á?
La crisi dei rifugiati? Grazie America, Grazie Russia! Solo questo.
La crisi del debito europea? Grazie Grecia! Grazie Italia e Grazie Portogallo! che con la "carta di credito" della Germania hanno chiesto prestiti che non potevano permettersi di ripagare. Austerity spiegata semplice: se non mi dai delle garanzie, io col c**zo che ti presto pi+¦ soldi.
Credo che si debba smettere di confondere gli effetti con le cause. O i sintomi con le malattie, difatti, non si cura un tumore con gli antidolorifici.
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