Part of the problem is that the 2012 tourney was held on a server in the room (it was a beast), using a heavily nodded Eve and Dust client on a LAN with the sever.

While the concept is a sound one and something similar has been done in the past it was done by a significantly larger Dust team and a Reykjavik studio that was fully invested in the idea.

As I'm sure you're all aware the work involved in getting OB's to work at all was huge, involving Dust and Eve Dev's and took a really big bite out of Eve's annual Dev cycle. And as a feature it was used by 1% of the 1%. OB's are cool but in terms of bang for buck it was like NASA's annual budget going to design a better firecracker.

For CCP to put in that kind of effort again they'd have to be certain of a bigger return of their investment than what they got with Dust.

And this is the other part of the problem. Dust is dead.

Project Nova is different game, on a different format, created from the ground up by an almost completely new team and an Executive Producer who is more grounded and fixed on what is actually deliverable and not cool looking fluff with a limited scope of player participation.

As such the current team pretty much feel that they're not beholden to the promises made for a now defunct game. That is not to say they are lacking ambition, far from it. I've had some pretty cool 'what if' discussions with Logicloop, Frame and Rattati. But they are now much more focused first and foremost on making a very fast paced, fun shooter, deserving of its place in the New Eden lore before any considerations as to it being directly connected to that world is given.

It must work well as a shooter before anything else lest it go the same way as Dust did.

From other side... boring 1% :D
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYV-MIs98JA&list=PLJ4gUz4hn3AK9T6yDBqGEbLi3pcMzY3g2&index=7
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPBv9-J82w0&index=8&list=PLJ4gUz4hn3AK9T6yDBqGEbLi3pcMzY3g2
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduCvn_XGtE&index=9&list=PLJ4gUz4hn3AK9T6yDBqGEbLi3pcMzY3g2
Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYoCTiDVv5U&index=10&list=PLJ4gUz4hn3AK9T6yDBqGEbLi3pcMzY3g2

A big part of the boredom was the lack of feedback, or any info, about what was happening down there.
Sure, being on comms gave you a picture, especially on casual games where you can chat more.

But, for a game to be entertaining, there should've been (at least when linking to satellite):
- info about who is fighting who
- who's winning (mcc damage in case of Dust514)
- stats like kills-per-minute (imagine the satisfaction of seeing that boost upon a successful orbital strike!)

- and finally something that was not reasonable to implement but on the wishlist anyways: a map screen. Even without intel would've been nice. With tacnet - omg grab the popcorn!


Edit: sure the killmails. but more was needed.

With the orbital experience myself and my buddies had, we saw different problems.

>On the eve side it wasn't actually boring- they had to worry about being hunted by other eve players. Every once in a while I heard "Oh ****, he found me, going to have to break off"

>The biggest issue we had was coordination. Dust players can hop around the galaxy in a matter of seconds. Eve players have to fly there. Most of it just came down to luck that we ended up in a battle close enough for the eve player to actually move in and support in time.


I like your idea, but I'm just throwing out what I've seen.

Sure.. but all 'ground' work in Nova was burried with Dust 514 (no more - for now - planets).
Now we have choice to choose what Eve capital weapon can hit istalation/ship in you are fighting actualy.

With racial resists this can be neat tactical feature who will be fry inside :)

I love your general ideas, Mobius, but if I may, I'd like to suggest a few of my own.

One thing I would find interesting is if instead of a map update rate that instead the EVE ship had something more "controllable" in something I would call a Firing Solution. In short, you can drop your OBs when you want on the map but instead of seeing a dot, you see a circle. The circle's radius being determined by some factor of your ship's speed, ammunition type, a time modifier, and a beacon modifier.

In short the circle would get smaller on these conditions:

• The slower you move, the smaller the circle
• The more ammunition would work on a precision < - > damage scale
• The longer you wait between firings, the smaller the circle
• If a beacon is present, you can target it for a flat reduction in size. (25%, 50%?)

Whenever a pilot chooses to fire, the -center- of the OB can be anywhere in that firing solution circle. (Potentially causing part of the blast radius to occur outside of it) thus giving a clear risk / reward metric on several factors, a few of which the pilot is directly in control of.

The time modifier would be such that if a pilot were to wait for about 2 min (The old OB wait timer if I recall correctly) then the time modifier on size would become x1 (or perhaps down to x0.9) so that if a pilot were to treat it exactly as they had before, then the time would not be a factor. Of course, they could always go for a saturation approach, and hope for luck...

What this would also allow is that the pilot can act independently of any side's beacons, laying down positions where they think it best.

To this end, I would also like to see EVE ships have more fitting modules (low / med slots) that allow for more support roles than just laying down cover fire.

Options to this end could include: A map wide scanner (at low db), a focused area scan (at higher db), and then ewar options such as suppressing scans (lowing scan ability of other team), and should vehicles ever be enabled, perhaps a module that can allow for automated "drop pod" style vehicle delivery. (As in it comes straight down, lands safely at last moment) that consumes some sort of resource. (nanites, probably ;D)

This would allow a pilot who is engaged in Void Support to have multiple options all the time, where they can weigh the risks / rewards of those actions.

That sounds like it could be a good bit of work depending on how much increased resolution on these planets. (If they don't exist, it would be absurd amounts of work)

However, I would also suggest, that like in Templar One, going down that low to a planet confers some effects onto an EVE ship, much like being in a special wormhole system.

Perhaps something that would make it harder to scan for, but also easier to damage / destroy?

i do like how you can still view dust players youve killed in eve tho