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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.09.11 01:36:00 -
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benandjerrys wrote:We did it 1st #brexit Just sayin. Deal with it 
I'm not a fervent christian really, but "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing" 
Don't make me add "Trump elected president of the USA" on my "things that went horribly wrong in 2016" chart-
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.09.11 13:55:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:benandjerrys wrote:We did it 1st #brexit Just sayin. Deal with it I'm not a fervent christian really, but "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing" Don't make me add "Trump elected president of the USA" on my "things that went horribly wrong in 2016" chart- I love how the spinsters on the Internet are trying to say "no no, it's a good thing UK lost 2 trillion dollars in their market over night" while also claiming the success of the movement had nothing at all to do with xenophobia XD But politics is a bad thing to talk about on the forums guys. I'm almost positive it's against the rules.
I've followed the situation closely since there are similar movements also in France, Germany and Italy and since I was seriously considering moving to Scotland for my Master Degree; I felt like I, as european, wouldn't be welcome in UK anymore, so I recently decided to move to Koln in Germany for my studies.
For me, the situation was and still is clear: there have been blatant lies, misinformation and news cherry-picking in both campaigns. Both of them relied on fear. Still both of them were wrong. Remain campaign was all about "if we leave" that inevitably brought in mind Scotland indyref with its fearmongering. They was always there saying if we leave then the pensioners would, if we leave then the economy would, if we leave then war would etc. It was all wrong imo. People wanted to know why should they remain part of the European Union. They didn't want to know why they shouldn't leave. I believe they couldn't care less.
On the other side, it was all flowers and rainbows: much like a "make britain great again". Is the Eu undemocratic? if you asked them then the answer is "of course it is". But how many people are able to tell why? The most informed between them will tell you that it's because the EU commission is not elected directly by the people, but it's appointed instead. But who appoints the commission?
Well, it's appointed by a representative of all the member states, in which Britain always had a prominent position. And there's a reason to that: EU is not a superstate (not yet, and it could well never be) so you really shouldn't vote for the EU commission since it would need a EU-wide campaign as "prime minister of EU" which would need a federal state, cohesion between states, a complete integration of identities as "European" that, as we have seen and as we are still seeing, is simply not there yet.
So, yeah, if people wanted an elected EU commission, they should also accept the EU as a federal state, which, of course, clashes with the other leave campaign for "sovereignty".
In other words, with one (false) argument they got votes from both those who felt let down by Europe, because there wasn't "enough" europe in their lives and by those who seriously believe the European Union is an evil beaurocratic monster that is there just to suck money off Britain. In my opinion a " I just want to be on my own" argument would have beena fairer and much more coherent "leave" argument.
Marston VC wrote:
But politics is a bad thing to talk about on the forums guys. I'm almost positive it's against the rules.
I agree, but since there's nothing else to talk about this game or future ones...
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:06:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Marston VC wrote:
All I saw when I began to hear about brexit was "do I vote for unity and cooperation between nations, or do I vote for division and seperate on between nations". I understand wanting to be independent but the thing is...... I never thought the UK had lost it in the first place
We hadn't, but you see our education system is going down the shitter, while (as most places) population is on the rise... So we've ended up with a lot of really stupid people who don't know how to tell if a politician is lying, which is pretty much as simple as "if they're talking, they're lying..." Anyway, the derps in charge of our country sound like they're not going through with any of it, we're gonna trade, we're gonna have free movement, we're probably going to pay more than we were before to do all of this... And all without having any say in the EU... Basically, what I'm asking is... Will someone please invade the UK and give us a decent government... PLEASE!!!
The problem here is not that someone believed that Britain would have been better without EU, on the contrary this is a very legitimate argument that should have been debated, since we're all democratic here. The problem in my opinion is really in what has been said: lies. Just lies. And not just by politicians: newspaper, internet, facebook, youtube. You can't just trust anything: if I read the same news on the independent and on the express I'll end up with two very different news. And by the way, Britain's newspaper looks way too obsessed by Europe compared to their EU counterparts.
Wikipedia docet, if there is no source all the subsequent argument should be invalid.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:08:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Is the UK officialy out of the EU ? I know there were many political tensions because the current prime minister wouldn't want to be the one to sign it officialy. Is it done now ?
It's still in EU and it will still be in Eu for at least other 2-3 years. The "current" prime minister you mention is prime minister no more
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.09.12 17:11:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:The KTM Duke wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Marston VC wrote:
All I saw when I began to hear about brexit was "do I vote for unity and cooperation between nations, or do I vote for division and seperate on between nations". I understand wanting to be independent but the thing is...... I never thought the UK had lost it in the first place
Basically, what I'm asking is... Will someone please invade the UK and give us a decent government... PLEASE!!! I'll bring some gv.0s and cv.0s if you want but i need cover from AV. Then just mail TheD1ck  Ah, yes... TheD1ck for PM! We will become the United Ireland...s. Potatoes for everyone!
Top of the morning to mister D1ck! 
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