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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.01 15:09:00 -
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Luckily my gtx 1080 was still back ordered so I was able to cancel it.
Dual RX480 confirmed.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:33:00 -
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AMD's presentation claims that 2 rx480s @ a cost of "<$500" beats the GTX 1080 @ $700.
The interesting info we get out of that is that means that either those tests are performed using the 4 GB versions of the rx480 OR that the 8 GB version will be priced @ $249 or lower. Obviously the 4 GB versions being tested is the most likely option. Realistically speaking 16 GB total of DDR5 in a setup is a little bit crazy for today's products anyway. If the 8 GB version comes in around $299 - $349 I will still heavily consider going with 2 of those for future proofing sake.
The other claim is that in this configuration they are putting out roughly 50% of their optimal capability which scares me. There are many questions I need answered here before I commit to 2 rx480s instead of a gtx 1080.
Is this power loss a bridge issue that can be fixed with a new bridge later on? Sign me up.
Is this a software issue that can be fixed with an update later? Sign me up.
Is this an issue with cheap headers that are bottle necking to keep board cost down? This is the one that scares me. If that is the case you are talking about each card having to work a little harder thanks to poor communication even under mid level loads which will in turn cause more power draw and higher heat output which in a crossfire setup is just not good at all.
Now if AMD would just get the freaking AM4 based setups pumped out I can have my rig update totally finished. For now the 2 rx480s are going to have to deal with being bottle necked by my FX-8350 and DDR3 ram.
EDIT: Based on the potential stats this loss between boards potentially puts the r9 390x at the top of the pack in price to performance, power consumption, heat generation, and ease of use. Unless you are buying a single card to make a mid level budget build (awesome for that) you should probably wait for more testing and info to be released on this whole crossfire thing before you go thinking how awesome a super computer for under $1k will be.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.01 18:48:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:At $600 you can now build a PC as powerful as a $900-1000 PC from last gen
Projecting for a small dip in prices on DDR4 ram, thanks to mass marketability from that no longer being exclusive to intel based systems, as well as the massive reductions in power consumption allowing for a much smaller power supply a $500 PC brand new at the end of this year will already be kicking the crap out of the PS4K which will also be brand new.
I think we just found out what CCP knew that we did not when they went for PC. Consoles are outright dead. I can almost guarantee those $5 - 600 PCs will VERY quickly be wrapped up in steam box cases and sold with a xbox controller in huge numbers to console gamers.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.01 20:40:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
MultiGPU setups don't stack their memory. 8 + 8 = 16. They clone their memory, so effectively you still have 8 if both cards have 8.
This is most likely two 8GB variants (to not bottleneck a crossfire setup), so we can expect price to be 230-250.
One card puts out 100%, the other card puts out 50%. You won't be seeing double the perf no matter how hard they optimize crossfire.
As for where the performance is gone, that's just the nature of scaling. You never get a perfect doubling of performance. The reason is due to the overhead of spreading the workload between the two GPU's and making sure they stay in sync.
Sorry I left out the fact that I was going based on DX12 + Mantle API which does create a memory stacking scenario. This is something that will become much more standard as DX12 makes it possible for any API to be able to add that function. The tests that they ran with 2 rx480s versus the gtx 1080 was done on a dx12 version of ashes of singularity so them having already customized that copy is a chance tho I can not say how much of a chance.
When I said 50% of the total capacity I was referencing the claims made by the presenter (sorry cant find the article) saying that it was only running at 50% of what it could do (aka the 100 + 50 you mention). The reason I feel like something is getting left out there is because Nvidia specifically did a ton of work on their new SLI bridges to create the necessary through put to allow the 1080 and 1070 to be able to communicate fast enough to function in an SLI setup. That along with the test presented just does not seem like stacking is taking place as it should.
We will likely know the truth on June 30th or so as I feel like this will be a claim that people will race to prove or disprove. Hopefully they drop some review copies on people and we get to find out sooner.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.02 02:40:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:This is one of those rare golden ages for system builders, with new GPUs and CPUs, ram dirt cheap and DirectX 12 coming out the bang-for-the-buck is going to be pretty substantial(maybe historic) for peeps who don't need bleeding edge systems. And for peeps who have multi-core AMD graphics cards DX12 may provide a free upgrade in and of itself. Now if the Canadian dollar would just go up.... 
I am loving seeing AMD make a very serious push against intel and nvidia. If the supposed stats on the zen chips are true amd could take over as not only the absolute king of price to performance ratio but could make a dent in the area of being top dog on performance down the road.
VR seems to have sparked a tech war that is going to end up amazing for PC owners. By the end of this year we will have seen the single greatest one year jump that computers have ever seen in my opinion.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Crossfire doesn't use a bridge, it uses the PCI-E connector to communicate.
It's superior to NVIDIA's solution, but it's patented by AMD.
I think that would explain it then. I have only ever run SLI on multiple card setups.
The great thing is something tells me that the AM4 boards will have some increased bandwidth to really put crossfire over the top with these cards.
AMD thanks you for my money.
I also just ordered a 40 inch 4k @ 60hz monitor to pair up with these bad boys. This is going to be fun.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.05 02:55:00 -
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Loaded'Horn wrote:Search you local online markets, like Craigslist for some reasonably good deals on complete gameing rigs, also there are many parts to choose from. I counted 11 good gaming platform pcs locally, most around $500 ready to use. Or find a i3, i5 ect tower and throw a $150 graphics card in that beach. Nobody needs flashy LEDs, just spray can that **** gloss gold =ƒÿå
You can build a totally new PC with some very nice specs for just over $600 already.
I just played around with a few builds on PC parts picker and when counting the rx480 as my graphics card I was able to do several variations for under $650 that were totally VR ready and even had overhead to add a second card for another $200 making them fully capable of running most games at a very comfortable frame rate in 4k at a little over $800 total.
If you are in no rush that price is going to come down a bit in the form of multiple mail in rebates as newer stuff comes out over the next 5 - 6 months.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.05 04:26:00 -
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Loaded'Horn wrote:Yes I totally agree with build your own as well, I built a screaming 3ghz duel core 8 years ago, still plays tons of low CPU games with ease. Popped a 750 ti in it last fall for my daughter and minecraft at 80 fps is great.
It was a suggestion to buy a PC from a rich kid who spent a 1000 building one 2 years ago and it's still very relevant and capable. Most listed for sale are amd machines. I'm not a uber tech and would never try to steer anyone astray into the PC world. I buy ready to upgrade used pcs every few years. As in cheap fast and easy to mod.
Anyway I ran out of patience for the new efficient cards last month and got a 960 ftw from bbuy down the street. I'll be happy until next summer or whenever pascal happens I'll upgrade. I don't have time to enjoy a spendy rig, I'm old enough to think every PC is really fast now. As in faster than an Apple II. Remember it's your money and choice, not mine.
The gtx 1080 is already on sale. The 1070 is coming around the end of this month. The rx480 is coming at the end of this month.
In the case of the 1070 and dual rx-480s you are getting more performance out of $400 than you would get from a $1000 Titan-X just a couple of months ago.
The issue with what you are saying, which I would normally agree with, is the fact that by the end of this year we will have seen the greatest jump in price to performance ratio that has ever been seen in a single year. Paying that "rich kid" $500 for his 2 year old $1000 PC is going to result in you getting half the performance for roughly the same price.
Basically what it comes down to is that thanks to the advancements that are being pushed by VR this is the worst year ever to buy used because it has been absolutely left in the dust.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.06.07 04:53:00 -
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Loaded'Horn wrote:Happy your excited for the new gpu's. I would never suggest buying a used gpu. Insert new super duper gpu of your choice into used gaming PC.
How would that be so bad? Brand new Mobos are better now sure, able to exploit the numbers bleeding edge enthusiast types might care about, all those finite details of system synergy. I don't, because it's trivial IMO. I'm five years behind the edge and it don't bother me a bit. I've read the current articles on the status of next gen.
Again I have a work PC that runs just about any game @ 1080 60 fps, 50 inch tv now for $510.
If it don't play nova when it's released then novas already out of most people's reach.
Just trying to get the kiddies to come over to a PC and jam on the keyboard with a budget consience parent yelling it's time to go to bed. My real world rational for implying Craigslist as a source for hardware. Take a fkn pill already.
Tell everyone who cares to follow their favorite computer manufacturer forums for the latest news regarding price power performance and availability. That would be considered reliablely sourced information. This forum isn't exactly computer nerd central is it?
The issue is the newer GPUs are such a jump that anything less than a current CPU is going to create quite the bottle neck. A current mobo with 8gb of ram, an fx-8350 @ 4 ghz, a case, and a small power supply is going to run you about $400 give or take depending on what sales you catch. That is cheaper than buying a used and less powerful PC and swapping out the GPU.
Maybe once the new chips land before the end of this year the price of systems with current PCs on the used market will drop but until then it just does not add up.
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