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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2016.06.01 22:46:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Well integration will mostly be through the market only...but Citadels do offer a wide variety of map options that would be very cool. Indeed. It should be kept in mind that he said initially integration will be market-only. If the game continues to grow it's reasonable to assume that the integration will expand along with it, which CCP Rattati has mentioned in interviews.
Yeah, I'd put all notions of a grandiose coupling of the two games to the back of your minds. Ain't happening anytime soon and all it does is place too high of an expectation on the game. That was the mistake of the original dev team.
Players have said that the 2014 Fanfest was a disaster with the misfire of the Legion announcement. Thats an easy thing to believe as being the case but the REAL disaster was the previous fanfest's Dust Keynote.
If you watch that now, knowing what we now know, there was literally nothing that was promised or hinted at that ever happened during Dust's lifetime. But the promises of that keynote hung around the neck of the game like a millstone and were never going to happen.
Nova is a new game, from an almost entirely different team. We must avoid trying to place upon them the false hopes from the first game and allow it develop organically as its own entity.
It may be that Nova reaches that destination but it'll follow its own path on the way to that.
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:35:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:And it all started with everyone not being able to manage our own expectations. CCP may have contributed to the false hopes that lead to this by bringing up the Future Vision and the Prophecy trailers, but the Dust 514 community is equally guilty of setting up false hopes as well. Everyone got all starry-eyed and saw rainbows and unicorns but only so few of us have ever stopped to think and say...
"Wait a minute, CCP didn't promise any of this fancy stuff. So why are we players still fantasizing so much over this?"
This is the point I'm making. We should all manage our expectations including CCP.
Now, thankfully with interviews they did during this years Fanfest, CCP's Rattati and Frame were making it very clear that the current focus of Nova is to get the actual combat and second by second gameplay tight before progressing. And as those that were fortunate to try it will attest to, they've pretty much nailed it.
As the Project progresses further we'll get to see the other stuff added that's necessary for this type of game, the progression system, load outs, map creation and evolution etc etc.
But the mantra of the current team now in Shanghai is very much, under promise and over deliver. Which brings me back to the 2013 keynote.
That was the product of a different EP and a different team making a game that is now finished and done. Nova uses elements of that games DNA certainly but if you watch that keynote now and still insist that the new team remain beholden to concepts and ideas that frankly were never going to happen, then you are just asking to be set up for disappointment.
As an example, the MTAC. In two years of CPM I never saw anything beyond that one piece of concept art. And to be honest, despite what was said in that keynote, I don't think the concept went any further than that one piece of art.
As I said earlier, it might be the case that Nova reaches the same destination but via a different route. But that route will be a result of its own progression and not the one attempted by Dust.
Nova is going to be its own thing. Let's do it and the team behind it the courtesy of judging it on its on merits, successes and possible failures rather than the merits of a game that is now past.
That may not be what some of you want to hear but that is the current reality of the situation. We can dream, we can speculate and we can continue to discuss what we'd like to see by all means. But just don't lose sight of the fact that unless it turns up in a Dec blog, it's purely just going to remain as that, speculation.
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2016.06.02 12:50:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:yeah but the issue is that Nova has (to our knowledge) not been greenlit yet, you need some hype to get things off the ground If I say "you've got to check out this amazing game we're making, where your actions will have real consequences and wars can be fought on many fronts across the New Eden universe" or "You've got to check out this amazing game we're making, the shooter mechanics are as good as COD" I know which project I would approve
I also know which Project is more likely to happen in the short to medium term.
The last thing this needs is any hype.
Once it's in place and established, we can start to look at what we'd all like to happen. But I promise you the current thinking is to make sure the horse that's going to pull the cart is up to the task before even building the cart.
They tried the other way and what happened on the 30th was the result.
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Posted - 2016.06.02 16:06:00 -
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To answer Juno's earlier point about some players being happy to endure poor gameplay because of the promises of what was to come.
Some might be happy to do so, CCP is unwillingly to make you have to endure anything, other than a wait for more news I'm afraid.
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Posted - 2016.06.03 18:26:00 -
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Valkyrie is most definately out.
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