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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:53:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Well integration will mostly be through the market only...but Citadels do offer a wide variety of map options that would be very cool. Indeed. It should be kept in mind that he said initially integration will be market-only. If the game continues to grow it's reasonable to assume that the integration will expand along with it, which CCP Rattati has mentioned in interviews.
One nice possibility that grows out of the move back to PC is that the whole Walking In Stations thing that was supposed to originally happen with Dust may still have a shot. Moving the walking part back to PC, particularly with maps that are on ships, stations and citadels means it's possible for the EvE players to finally leave their Captain's Quarters and venture into the hallways for the first time. Maybe even have to deal with being collateral damage from the Nova mercs fighting there... ;) |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.01 21:55:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:I'm trying to get dropped off by a frigate and raid a space station. Period.
Exactly! This should already have been a thing. With the failure to launch of Walking in Stations, it was abandoned, or at least delayed. Maybe this is a possibility to get back to it? |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.02 19:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Well integration will mostly be through the market only...but Citadels do offer a wide variety of map options that would be very cool. Indeed. It should be kept in mind that he said initially integration will be market-only. If the game continues to grow it's reasonable to assume that the integration will expand along with it, which CCP Rattati has mentioned in interviews. Yeah, I'd put all notions of a grandiose coupling of the two games to the back of your minds. Ain't happening anytime soon and all it does is place too high of an expectation on the game. That was the mistake of the original dev team. Players have said that the 2014 Fanfest was a disaster with the misfire of the Legion announcement. Thats an easy thing to believe as being the case but the REAL disaster was the previous fanfest's Dust Keynote. If you watch that now, knowing what we now know, there was literally nothing that was promised or hinted at that ever happened during Dust's lifetime. But the promises of that keynote hung around the neck of the game like a millstone and were never going to happen. Nova is a new game, from an almost entirely different team. We must avoid trying to place upon them the false hopes from the first game and allow it develop organically as its own entity. It may be that Nova reaches that destination but it'll follow its own path on the way to that. I think I see what you mean there. It is very tempting to hope that maybe one day we could finally see the day when the Eve Online Future Vision or the Eve Online Prophecy trailers became reality. But now that I look back at how it all went with Dust 514, I can see how such high hopes only served to set us up for disappointment when 3 years later the game has officially shut down and we never saw a true integration between Eve and Dust in the way we hoped. And it all started with everyone not being able to manage our own expectations. CCP may have contributed to the false hopes that lead to this by bringing up the Future Vision and the Prophecy trailers, but the Dust 514 community is equally guilty of setting up false hopes as well. Everyone got all starry-eyed and saw rainbows and unicorns but only so few of us have ever stopped to think and say... "Wait a minute, CCP didn't promise any of this fancy stuff. So why are we players still fantasizing so much over this?"
The problem is CCP did actually promise at least some of this fancy stuff. Maybe they didn't do it in a way that made it cemented in concrete but CCP never honours those sorts of things anyway. CCP did actually say we would be able to walk around in stations. That was the reason for that blasted door that never opens because the station environment is still contaminated. It was supposed to be DE-contaminated once the Walking In Stations was delivered. All the rest hinged on WiS but even that didn't happen. It's not that CCP didn't promise it, it's that they simply didn't deliver. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.02 19:43:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:To answer Juno's earlier point about some players being happy to endure poor gameplay because of the promises of what was to come.
Some might be happy to do so, CCP is unwillingly to make you have to endure anything, other than a wait for more news I'm afraid.
Well, to my mind, CCP's track record on delivery of anything they talk about* is so bad, I'd think the lot was vapourware until such time as I see it "in the flesh" so to speak. So I think taking anything they say with a hefty bag of salt is only to be expected.
Edit: *Anything they talk about outside of EvE, that is. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.03 01:58:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:To answer Juno's earlier point about some players being happy to endure poor gameplay because of the promises of what was to come.
Some might be happy to do so, CCP is unwillingly to make you have to endure anything, other than a wait for more news I'm afraid. Well, to my mind, CCP's track record on delivery of anything they talk about* is so bad, I'd think the lot was vapourware until such time as I see it "in the flesh" so to speak. So I think taking anything they say with a hefty bag of salt is only to be expected. Edit: *Anything they talk about outside of EvE, that is. Eve: Valkyrie? Eve: Gunjack?
Yes, I'd class both of those under the heading vapourwear until such time as they were delivered. We know Gunjack is a thing now, but Valkyrie is still on the way, yes? In any case, once they've finally arrived, yes we can say they're a thing, but no earlier than that.
The only offering that they've put up which has definitely stood the test of time and has largely delivered what they said it would is EvE. Where it hasn't delivered has tended to be these revolutionary products and EvE's links to them, which were not part of the evolution of EvE itself. |
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