DUST Search - What ******* happened to the balance in this game?

Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:

Jenny Tales wrote:

It was so much nicer in 2014. The worst thing you had to worry about was Amarr Assaults (they thought they were OP but they really ******* weren't... people were just realizing how good the gun is)

Why'd they have to ruin it with:

Making rail rifles as strong as HMGs at short range and allowing them to melt through shields
Allowing mass drivers to 3-shot kill any suit
Militia ******* locus grenades are as effective as Cores and Cores are better than remote explosives
Combining the above with ******* JUMP MODS.

Do you people realize how broken these things are?! It doesn't even matter that Caldari assault is the best one now. That's only because you can make them jump and/or pump damage into their over powered rail rifles, and out-DPS what's SUPPOSED to be their hard-counter, Amarr and Gal assaults

If Nova is anything like this... I swear...

You know the game is broken when your ******* Sentinel is a dead weight on the battlefield 90% of the time.

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Caldari the best???

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Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 992	Posted - 2016.05.20 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote Jenny Tales wrote: It was so much nicer in 2014. The worst thing you had to worry about was Amarr Assaults (they thought they were OP but they really ***** weren't... people were just realizing how good the gun is) Why'd they have to ruin it with: Making rail rifles as strong as HMGs at short range and allowing them to melt through shields Allowing mass drivers to 3-shot kill any suit Militia *** locus grenades are as effective as Cores and Cores are better than remote explosives Combining the above with *** JUMP MODS. Do you people realize how broken these things are?! It doesn't even matter that Caldari assault is the best one now. That's only because you can make them jump and/or pump damage into their over powered rail rifles, and out-DPS what's SUPPOSED to be their hard-counter, Amarr and Gal assaults If Nova is anything like this... I swear... You know the game is broken when your ***** Sentinel is a dead weight on the battlefield 90% of the time. And with that you've summed up most of my problems with this game. There IS no balance. It's like CCP did a whole heap of their often extremely ill-considered buffs and "tweaks", then before anyone had a chance to find out how bad they were, pulled the plug on any further development because they were closing down the game. And that's probably exactly what happened. I sometimes find myself just standing there watching a bunch of idiots jumping around the battlefield in heavy suits that have no right to be even moving fast, let along jumping, firing anything from shotguns, thru plasma cannons to mass drivers, completely uncounterable to most people, the height of cowardice. To my mind it's just as well that it's shutting down. Something this broken should never have existed in the first place and would have been irrevocably broken if allowed to continue. It's just stupid.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 992	Posted - 2016.05.20 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Jenny Tales wrote: It was so much nicer in 2014. The worst thing you had to worry about was Amarr Assaults (they thought they were OP but they really ***** weren't... people were just realizing how good the gun is) Why'd they have to ruin it with: Making rail rifles as strong as HMGs at short range and allowing them to melt through shields Allowing mass drivers to 3-shot kill any suit Militia *** locus grenades are as effective as Cores and Cores are better than remote explosives Combining the above with *** JUMP MODS. Do you people realize how broken these things are?! It doesn't even matter that Caldari assault is the best one now. That's only because you can make them jump and/or pump damage into their over powered rail rifles, and out-DPS what's SUPPOSED to be their hard-counter, Amarr and Gal assaults If Nova is anything like this... I swear... You know the game is broken when your ***** Sentinel is a dead weight on the battlefield 90% of the time. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WAIT YOURE SERIOUS? 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Do you think that the game is actually balanced? Or are you one of those who believe you just exploit the hell out of any opportunity to win?
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 992	Posted - 2016.05.20 20:24:00 - [3] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Get good, times are indeed rough but we must adapt and spend as much ISK as possible. Never back down! It's not about spending ISK. For some of us, the raw distaste for the game is ruining our enjoyment of it. There are still a few battles I actually enjoy, where my pure accident, I'm deployed into a battle with no squads on either side, and people actually using reasonable tactics with none of the stuff mentioned by OP. Win or lose, it's a battle that both sides can be proud of because neither side has had any advantage from ridiculous things like jumpy heavies or overbuffed weapons. For the record I actually disagree with OP on the issue of RRs. To me ScRs and LRs are the most OP weapon on the battlefield, which is why I've had to put armour on my beloved Caldari suits. But the distinction is irrelevant. There is so much imbalance in this game as to make it almost unplayable for anyone who doesn't exploit the imbalances. I run solo specificly so I will never participate in the stomping, and more and more I'm finding the only way I can deal with the battles I get as a result is to leave them.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 992	Posted - 2016.05.20 20:26:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Have you considered that you may just be bad? Seriously? How can this be about "gud" or "bad"? There are people (like me) that find the things that we would have to do to win in this game simply distasteful. If that makes me "bad" (along with OP) then so be it.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 992	Posted - 2016.05.20 20:26:00 - [5] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: Whenever I see too many cal-assault I whip out a Shotgun. They drop like flies. Yep, we do. I hate shotguns. I take them out with extreme prejudice.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 994	Posted - 2016.05.20 20:32:00 - [6] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Jenny Tales wrote: It was so much nicer in 2014. The worst thing you had to worry about was Amarr Assaults (they thought they were OP but they really ***** weren't... people were just realizing how good the gun is) Why'd they have to ruin it with: Making rail rifles as strong as HMGs at short range and allowing them to melt through shields Allowing mass drivers to 3-shot kill any suit Militia *** locus grenades are as effective as Cores and Cores are better than remote explosives Combining the above with *** JUMP MODS. Do you people realize how broken these things are?! It doesn't even matter that Caldari assault is the best one now. That's only because you can make them jump and/or pump damage into their over powered rail rifles, and out-DPS what's SUPPOSED to be their hard-counter, Amarr and Gal assaults If Nova is anything like this... I swear... You know the game is broken when your ***** Sentinel is a dead weight on the battlefield 90% of the time. -snip- OK, so what are you laughing about, the post or the idea behind it? Do you think that the game is actually balanced? Or are you one of those who believe you just exploit the hell out of any opportunity to win? He's talking about the Cal assault being the best. Also, he needs to chill on the spam. Yes well, that's one of the things that I disagree with OP on. CalAss is best? I don't think so! From my perspective, as a dedicated Caldari light and medium, CalAss is possibly the most fragile "assault" suit on any battlefield. The only thing going for it is that it's fast, but with kincats anyone can be fast. I regularly see GalAss suits that just completely wipe the floor with me because they're tough in CQC and this game is fundamentally about CQC. The only way I can get my CalAss suit anywhere near good enough for CQC is to load it down with so much reactive armour my speed advantage is gone anyway.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 997	Posted - 2016.05.22 22:51:00 - [7] - Quote Jenny Tales wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Have you considered that you may just be bad? I thought you were smarter than this Arkena. So I tested something. On a basic Caldari assault I'm not even skilled into, with an advanced rail rifle i have zero proficiency in, I out-DPS a full proto Gal assault. AT SHORT RANGE. How is that not broken? Yes, you can out-DPS something with the RR and that won't change at short range. What does change at short range is your ability to actually hit the target with such a slow ROF. That's why on my CalAss Assault fit, I have a Kaala RR and a Kaala MAGSEC, with the MAGSEC my usual selection. I can always switch to the RR if I need range or to finish off a target, but if I'm surprised, I need that high ROF I get from the MAGSEC. The ARR is close to it and I use an Ishukone ARR with MAGSEC on my CQC fit for that reason, but I still prefer the MAGSEC for super close encounters. The whole thing about balance with these weapons ignores the other issues with their use. AR is fantastic for close range because 1) it's a close range weapon in the first place and 2) it has such a high ROF, second only probably to the CR and the SMG. I use the Burst AR on my Gallente alt fits and the high ROF with that just makes that weapon superior to almost anything else. There is nothing like the unbelievable range of variations to the AR, anything from the superfast but still accurate Burst model, all the way up to the Tactical and virtually every possible variation between those two extremes. Compare that with the RR and its ONLY variant, the ARR, with its higher but still relatively slow ROF. And both of them kick like mules, so they just aren't the weapon of choice really, except for people who think DPS is everything.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 997	Posted - 2016.05.22 23:16:00 - [8] - Quote Jenny Tales wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: For the record I actually disagree with OP on the issue of RRs. To me ScRs and LRs are the most OP weapon on the battlefield, which is why I've had to put armour on my beloved Caldari suits. But the distinction is irrelevant. There is so much imbalance in this game as to make it almost unplayable for anyone who doesn't exploit the imbalances. At least you're capable of being reasonable about your disagreement, instead of these juvenile butthurt outcries from everyone else. Agreed. I regularly talk about things like imbalance, or at least I used to, but rather than any reasonable discussion about it all I ever got was "git gud" or something equally inane. Noone wants to talk about things that could be wrong with the game since they just exploit the hell out of them and don't really want them to change. Nova will likely not fix these things since they are caused by something that CCP actually thinks is good - not forcing people to use the right weapons on the right suits. When the suits power and control the weapons, it's only reasonable to assume that the interfaces will be somewhat "proprietary" in that Caldari suits should not be able to use Gallente weapons for instance. What I see regularly is fits that combine the best of everything, at least to that player, rather than having to learn to deal with using the weapons that go with the suits. The "bonuses" are a joke. There's really no penalty at all for people using say a RR on a Minmatar suit, and I regularly see just that. To my mind, realism makes the game better. Allow combination of any weapon in the right class with any suit that fits that class and you just end up with a massive FOTM problem. It also makes no sense to me, as if this were real, each suit would only be able to use the right racial weapons for that suit, due to the interfacing. Someone will now of course say that we're all actually from one faction, and therefore we should be able to use any weapon with any suit, but then why are there racial variants at all? The whole thing just fails due to inconsistency. I attempt to play the game the way I believe it should be and yes, that means I only use Caldari gear on this alt, and Gallente gear on my other alt, and never mix the two, and certainly never mix weapons and suits. That puts me at a severe disadvantage to other players in a way that cannot be solved by anything like "git gud"... I have, however, stopped actually complaining about this because people are just not interested, as you have noted. They just want more of the same, apparently. :)
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 999	Posted - 2016.05.23 10:10:00 - [9] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Just so you guys know, the DPS for rail rifles and assault rifles are as follows (proficiency 5 for both): Rail rifle vs armour: 457 hp/s Assault rifle vs shield: 521 hp/s Assault rifle dps vs shield with Gal assault lvl 5: 599 hp/s I'm showing dps vs armour and shield as both have a 10% damage bonus. The data is all available on protofits, if you don't want to get it straight from the game. Although it doesn't have the Gallente assault bonus. So, as you can see the assault rifle has considerably higher dps than the rail rifle. To make up for this the rail rifle has much greater range and accuracy. Although the rail rifle's hipfire accuracy is very poor. Rail rifles and assault rifles are two of the most balanced weapons in the game. In fact so are Caldari and Gallente assaults, except for the fact that assaults in general are a bit OP compared to other classes. edit: it is arguable that the Gallente assault bonus is a bit too powerful, but it's not a major issue. If anything it implies assault rifles are kind of weak without it. I myself have never thought of any of the weapons in the game is "unbalanced". They are what they are. To me, the AR is better than the RR because of the demonstrable superiority for close range encounters - higher ROF, higher DPS, shorter range, yes, but better for close range. The RR on the other hand is much better at range. The problem arises when someone like me, as a dedicated Caldari, has to deal with close range encounters in a Caldari shield suit, with a RR. Almost every other race's weapons seem to cut through Caldari suits due to the shields and minimal armour. AR is certainly one of them, hybrid like the RR though they may be, their ROF and DPS just eats shields while my ARR has a very difficult time against heavily armoured suits, Gallente being one of them. Caldari suits and weapons are *designed* for range. But to do most of what this game demands for any mode other than Ambush, like hacking objectives or installations, you must be able to deal with close range encounters. That's when the superiority of every other suit and weapon seems to show itself. The imbalance isn't in the weapons and suits, it's in any attempt to play racially. When you're up against people who just use whatever weapon they want on any suit they want, and you aren't doing that yourself, you're likely going to see the game as unbalanced.
Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1005	Posted - 2016.05.23 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Jenny Tales wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Rail rifle vs armour: 457 hp/s Assault rifle vs shield: 521 hp/s Assault rifle dps vs shield with Gal assault lvl 5: 599 hp/s Oh your poor, poor shields have a weakness! How awful! It's bad enough you're nearly immune to everything else in the metagame! Poor you. All the suffering you must have endured as your PC districts were taken from your corp by LASER RIFLE USERS. Is this comment aimed at me? I'm not complaining about imbalance, just trying to help by making you aware of the facts. Both you and Alena stated that the rail rifle has higher dps than the assault rifle, which is incorrect as I have shown. Also I clearly stated that I thought assault rilfes vs rail rifles and Caldari assaults vs Gallente assaults were balanced. Also, I use all races of assault suit and have no alegence to either shield or armour tanking. I also use shield and armour scouts, and shield and armour sentinels. The only thing I don't have is a shield commando. No, I stated no such thing. What I said is that assault rifles are OP against shields, particularly at close range. There is a myth in this game that RR is OP. That's purely because of its range. At close range, the AR rules over the ARR let alone the RR.

Alena Asakura Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 1005	Posted - 2016.05.23 22:04:00 - [11] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I understand the problem you have, sticking to only Caldari gear makes close quater combat difficult. Much like using only Gallente gear would make long range combat difficult. I will however make the following comments: I know the game's nearly gone, but I think it's good to clear this up for a future EVE fps. I'd prefer to have racial distinction and flavour than they all be the same, just with different graphics. It's good that Caldari are better at long range and Gallente are better at short range. I agree with everything you have said but have these thoughts for you: Quote: 1) The game is not designed for characters to use only one race of suits. By imposing this restriction on yourself it is natural that you would be at a disadvantage in some situations. Though you are perfectly entitled to play this way. No it's not and that is a severe flaw. CCP makes much of not restricting players to one race or another or to specific weapons. But realism, which would make this game truly great, demands that at least racial weapons are used with the appropriate suits UNLESS some sort of training is undertaken towards a module which must be used to interface those suits with weapons from a different race. It's unreasonable to think that every suit would interface with every weapon just as a matter of course. The argument that we all come from the same stock of clones is also both irrelevant and unconsistent, as there would then be no reason for different races of suits and weapons. I play the way I do to instill some realism into the game, at least for myself, even though it means I'm up against players who use any weapon on any suit to gain advantage. Logically, this also leads to endless FOTM, nerf and buff cycles, something CCP maintains they don't like having to do. It would be easier and more realistic for them to require correct weapons on correct suits other than with appropriate training and modules. Quote: 2) Most battles involve the use of long and short range combat. There are plently of situations where range is extremely useful. In fact, back when the rail rifle was OP many people argued on the forums that range was by far the most important attribute (which I disagree with btw). Yes, most battles do involve both long and short range combat. There are some that particularly favour one or the other. There is however only one battle mode that specificly does not require short range capability as a fundamental requirement - Ambush. Like it or not, I can't escape needing to be able to handle CQC in my Caldari gear. Short range is my dilemma. Quote: 3) There are plenty of Caldari options for close combat. Assault rail rifles are very effective at short range as well as medium range, so are Magsecs. Nova knives are excellent CQC weapons and can be used well on a Caldari scout with it's dampening bonus and powerful passive scans. The Caldari logi can work well when operating in built up areas by using equipment to support thier team. Nano hives are great for grenades which are usefull for close combat. Rep hives are great. Nanite injectors are great. Yes, the ARR is a good option for short range, but still not up to the AR. The MAGSEC is better for this, and I use it almost exclusively for short range, even if I have an ARR on the suit. In any case, short range is a problem for shields, not so much weapons. Again with the Nova Knives. Yes I know they're made by Ishukone. Again, there are other weapons made by Ishukone which are not Caldari, and Nova Knives are not consistent with the long range mentality of Caldari. Nova Knives used on a Caldari suit are another inconsistency in the game. I run Caldari logi. You are correct with all you say about them and I use them this equipment all the times, including the repper hives. However, these are support roles, not actual combat. Interestingly, I find the speed of the logi, in combination with the Ishukone ARR to be a plus during combat, to support the group. In solo CQC combat however, the logi hasn't a chance. Quote: 4) Mixing weapons and suits from different races gives little benefit and isn't worth worrying about. Sure I like to use a scrambler pistol with my Caldari suit for anti-shield capabiliy. But I could easilly use a bolt pistol and benefit from the sweet reload bonus. Also, there is no need to fit armour on a Caldari suit regardless of engagement range. You may see it that way, but there are plenty who don't. Using a long range weapon like a RR on a suit with heavy armour gives that player a significant advantage. Just sticking with the Caldari/Gallente example (the one I know the best), the heavier armour of a Gallente (up to about 800HP, usually) is much better to deal with any weapons, at any range. The shields on a Caldari suit, however, are mainly for long range, and need regen time. Yes, this can be shortened with the appropriate energs or rechargers, but at the expense of tank. The best tank I can get on a CalAss is about 900HP, both shield and armour, but the shields then have more than 2s delay on depletion - much too long for CQC. My point is, people do get a benefit (even if only psychological) from mixing weapons and suits. Realism, which this game lacks from my perspective, would demand a significant penalty and some sort of training to do this, not just a set of questionable bonuses. The bonuses clearly have no effect on many players who simply go ahead and mix weapons and suits anyway. I agree with wanting to clear all this up, which is why I actually posted this. It would be good for CCP to learn the error of making everything available to everyone at minimal cost. They already let you use different racial suits, but at the cost of having to train them. Why do they not see the need then to have extra training for modules to allow you to mix suits and weapons?