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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.05.15 11:19:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Well one is reffering to the genocide of a race of people.
The latter simply means "God is Great" (though fairly certain that's not the correct English spelling). How is that offensive?
Get cultured, scrub.
And Holocaust actually means "sacrifice by fire". See, it really depends on the situation and the "side-meaning" you give things that makes them offensive or not. In fact, as you said Holocaust is now referred to the genocide of a race (also, please," race") of people as much as Allahu Akbar is known as the battle cry of religious extremists who are about to explode.
Actually you can test if you want: go in an airport and shout Allahu Akbar a couple times and see if people find it offensive or not. 
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.05.15 19:01:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Actually you can test if you want: go in an airport and shout Allahu Akbar a couple times and see if people find it offensive or not. Just because ignorant people are ignorant doesn't mean something is offensive. Anyone who gets offended by someone uttering a religious phrase can go and copulate aggressively with themselves.
It's not ignorance as far as I know, it's more about situational awereness. If you are in a Mosque, hearing these words won't make you think of a suicidal attack, but hearing a guy in an airport shouting the same exact words for no reason, well, it's a bit different.
It depends on the "intention" actually. If the name of the corporation is referred to a suicidal attack, which I personally believe, it is offensive imo.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.05.16 07:25:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
It's not ignorance as far as I know, it's more about situational awereness. If you are in a Mosque, hearing these words won't make you think of a suicidal attack, but hearing a guy in an airport shouting the same exact words for no reason, well, it's a bit different.
It depends on the "intention" actually. If the name of the corporation is referred to a suicidal attack, which I personally believe, it is offensive imo.
Your interpretation of a common phrase uttered literally billions of times a day around the world for a vast host of reasons is irrelevant, because your ignorance does not make something offensive. You not knowing what Allahu Akbar means, or how common it is, because you are ignorant, is not enough to be offensive. Tasty lunch? Allahu Akbar. Not raining today? Allahu Akbar. Just had a kid? Allahu Akbar. Just saw a fine girl? Allahu Akbar. Stop being such a xenophobic coward.
I probably have not been clear enough, or, actually, that's what I'd really love to think.
I'll set another example: I perfectly know the meaning, but still, based on situations, it is used in different ways as you also said.
Sieg Heil, means salute to victory. There may very well be cases where you use "sieg heil" in german without being charged of **** apology, but still used in certain contexts it does get such connotations.
Now, you are playing an online game, it's about war where you make things blow up. You shoot people, kill people. It will be natural for people to think that my "sieg heil" is a reference to nazism.
As much as "Holocaust Squad" is surely offensive enough, it is at least the same for Allahu Akbar. Not because saying that "God is (the) great(est)" is offensive because it really isn't, but because of the connotation those words have today when used in certain contexts. After all, "Holocaust squad" would "just" mean "Sacrifice Squad", right?
Again, try saying Allahu Akbar in different situations and you have very different outcomes.
It looks like a sophism, but it really isn't. It's not that there are muslims, some muslims are terrorists, all muslim are terrorists, but it's more like the outcome of an experience you never had directly (one of the wonderful things you are born with, just for being human) that makes you wonder if the guy shouting Allahu Akbar for no reason is just praising his god or is about to explode. And actually, I'm pretty sure it's not me being xenophobic because I'm really not, but it's more because of those handful of people that uses the exact same words for terrorist attacks. Blame them, don't blame what you call "ignorance".
"Someone" before me said that facts does not exist, what exist are only interpretations.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.05.16 16:27:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
the guy shouting Allahu Akbar for no reason is just praising his god or is about to explode.
For no reason. You used an airport in your previous example. So, could he have just seen his wife/child/other close relation who just made it out of a drone strike two days ago in any of the myriad countries that are currently subject to that horror. Or he could have just had a bag dropped on his foot. Or he could have just found out his wife is pregnant. Or he won the lottery. Or he lost his job. Or he found out his wife is dead. Or he found out he has cancer. Just because YOU associate those words with people committing suicide attacks(because of the fearmongering of the media, and your own ignorance of Islam) does not make it so.
Alhamdu-lillahi, Katthhara Allah kheirak would better fit your example.
Unfortunetely I know enough of islam to know that misinterpratation of the Quran is rampant. You seek ignorance in the wrong place, when you should really seek ignorance into certain interpretations of the Quran. And as I already said, it depends on the context: it's not a secret that Allahu Akbar is also used for much less lofty ideals, and really because of the sounding board made by mass media that Allahu Akbar might be considered offensive outside of its context. Who tells you that the guy who named the corporation is actually muslim? And why would you praise God in a videogame, anyway?
On a completely different topic you made a different, much more interesting point:
wrote: could he have just seen his wife/child/other close relation who just made it out of a drone strike two days ago in any of the myriad countries that are currently subject to that horror
Sad but true. This surely is the leit-motiv for those who decide to suicide, guess it is some kind of revenge toward the "western world", but still either way, only innocents get caught into the mix. Be it Paris or Raqqa, and it surely won't help to decapitate random people or to send more drone strikes.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.05.16 16:27:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Press Attache wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Actually you can test if you want: go in an airport and shout Allahu Akbar a couple times and see if people find it offensive or not. It is a bit of a location context issue. Also, if you are meeting your friend Jack at the airport, it is best to say "Hello Jack", rather than "Hi Jack". You can say "Hi Jack" as long as you are white. Are you implying that there is something wrong with that?
I really don't get it, maybe I should Google it
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xxwhitedevilxx M
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Posted - 2016.05.16 17:26:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:On a completely different topic you made a different, much more interesting point: wrote: could he have just seen his wife/child/other close relation who just made it out of a drone strike two days ago in any of the myriad countries that are currently subject to that horror Sad but true. This surely is the leit-motiv for those who decide to suicide, guess it is some kind of revenge toward the "western world", but still either way, only innocents get caught into the mix. Be it Paris or Raqqa, and it surely won't help to decapitate random people or to send more drone strikes. The west has earned so much more terror than we have received. People shouldn't be surprised people want to put bombs under our asses, we should be surprised that so FEW bombs end up under our asses. It was recently the 100th anniversary of Sykes Picot, and during the whole century that followed, there has not been a single day where The West was not screwing the middle east.
Well, I can only imagine what means not seeing a drone precision strike at all just a few meters behind you. Still can't understand why some "western" nations have to act like headsmen. It can't be oil.
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