DUST Search - Caldari - The Poor Relations

Alena Asakura wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Alena Asakura wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

How can you ever consider this content **** poor?

- You have several side arm options that have in previous builds punched far above their weight either due to noticeably aim assist or primary weapon tier DPS.

- You've had a rifle that has been FoTM about as much as the ScR and CR.

- Your race features three out of the four commonly used AV weapons in the game none of which are bad.

- You've had a full line up of vehicles several of which have distinguished themselves in Dust 514's history. Notably the Charybdis (murder taxi), Incubus (skill stacking glitch), and the Sagaris and Gunnlogi (former having insane DPS potential while latter absorbing ridiculous amounts of damage).

- More vehicles removed by CCP on the part of the Caldari than the Minmatar and Amarr have had introduced.

- You have the only CQC melee damage augmenting weapon in the Nova Knife.

- You have two very useful and reliable equipment options in the Nanohive and Nanite Injector.

- Of 3 types of vehicle turrets the Caldari have ownership of two which have always been useful and at times a little too powerful.

- Oh and last but no least the Caldari 'Murder Logi' that was fit of the month for a very long time and the Caldari Scout which was fit of the month more recently. The Cal Sent has insane recharge values and the Assault doesn't fall too far behind with a potential 100 rep/sec.

I've just reread this and realised you were talking about Caldari tech.

But again, you've specified Nove Knives as Caldari. They aren't. They're Minmatar. Just because Ishukone makes something doesn't make it Caldari. Ishukone makes a lot of things, they're Japanese - they copy and improve. Yes, they're Caldari themselves, but not all the tech they use is Caldari. I wish you'd stop with this, it's misleading and simply incorrect.

No they aren't Minmatar.

A simple look at the technology being used in Nova Knives should be enough to tell you exactly which part of the cluster they are produced in. However that alone is not enough to go on.

They are an Ishukone product. Ishukone is a Caldari Megacorporation. Therefore Nova Knives are as far as we see a Caldari weapon.

Nova Knives only oppose traditional doctrine. That doctrine does not eshew the use of clone combat weapons because 'lol we like da ranges'. The Caldari favour practicality and the right tool of the right job first and foremost because they can ill afford not to.

Where do you get this stuff? The Caldari favour long range, sniping, kiting, range weapons, etc. There are no bonuses for Nova Knives for Caldari, therefore for all intents and purposes, they're not Caldari. Even if they were, it's a pointless argument, because there's still no bonuses.

As for Ishukone making them therefore they are Caldari, Ishukone also make SMGs therefore they are Caldari, too, right?

Seriously, the only weapons that MATTER are the ones you get bonuses for. If you don't get a bonus, it doesn't matter whether it's your race's weapon or not.


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Slayer Deathbringer Planetary Response Organisation FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 67	Posted - 2016.03.31 02:49:00 - [1] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: If i was online I'd tell you the stats precisely... But I have a balac's fit with 550+ sHP @ 190-200 sHP/s (switch a recharge for energ to go over 200) w/ 0.4x second delay. I use a complex reactive in the low but... I'm guessing either a comp damp, cardiac reg, or kincat, would be ideal. TBH, i feel like that fit has the potential to be a end all be all fit... I actually fear it so much that I simply will not use it ever again. That suit is the tangible and true form of Over Powered. Sure, a bricked Balac's/Frames might look like the end all be all.. But the thing is you'll be relying too much on first mover advantage, and encounter battles rarely... That fit simply cannot survive an extended battle. I think each battle is a matter of attrition. The faster i recover, the "more" time I get in the long run. Sure, you have higher eHP... But be honest... Every time someone bites into your armor, the easier and easier it is for you to die. That's where you choose ... High tank or high recharge? Many choose high tank because you can stand and deliver. However, you can't deliver to what you can't see. In that "blind" time, the recharge tank gets closer to victory because it recovered all the damage you delivered, while you haven't recovered the damage I delivered. Lol i know I sound confusing, but think about it this way. Do i want a big powerful SUV, or that dinky little sports car? The SUV is strong! It hauls weight, it has the typical "car enthusiast" saying "WOOOW V8." It's a force to be reckoned with....but damn every time I drive to my friend in the city nearby, I'd have to buy fuel. The little Sports car is weak, not as loud and aggressive, and might even get you insults from the uneducated masses. But then, you understand just how nimble and responsive your V6 Turbo engine is. You also don't need to refuel every time you drive around... It's nice on economy... In the end, in a battle, you'd want the Sports Car.. Sure the SUV can demolish you, but... If the race has a few corners and takes some time, you'll win because the SUV ran out of fuel, or plowed off the road in a corner. Lol hopefully that makes sense... Responding further up....... Yes! Nova Knives are Caldari tech believe it or not. Usually you can tell what belongs to which race by the proto variant's name. Kaala, Ishu, Wiyr, Lai Dai, are all Caldari Allo, Creo, Duvo are all Gallente Carth, Vizi are all Amarr Core, Free, Bound, Six are all Minmatar Sadly I use mainly Caldari weapons so, i remember the names for Caldari best. :D Interesting info. Yes, I can see how you would think that by the name "Ishukone" that makes Nova Knives Caldari. However, as far as I can see, at least in Dust, Ishukone makes *everything*... A bit like Mitsubishi in the present dayt no allotek make everything look at their Pyrus series "It's not my fault that you lost a 1 mill isk suit to a 1k isk forge gun"
Slayer Deathbringer Planetary Response Organisation FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 70	Posted - 2016.04.04 11:54:00 - [2] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: True Adamance wrote: How can you ever consider this content **** poor? - You have several side arm options that have in previous builds punched far above their weight either due to noticeably aim assist or primary weapon tier DPS. - You've had a rifle that has been FoTM about as much as the ScR and CR. - Your race features three out of the four commonly used AV weapons in the game none of which are bad. - You've had a full line up of vehicles several of which have distinguished themselves in Dust 514's history. Notably the Charybdis (murder taxi), Incubus (skill stacking glitch), and the Sagaris and Gunnlogi (former having insane DPS potential while latter absorbing ridiculous amounts of damage). - More vehicles removed by CCP on the part of the Caldari than the Minmatar and Amarr have had introduced. - You have the only CQC melee damage augmenting weapon in the Nova Knife. - You have two very useful and reliable equipment options in the Nanohive and Nanite Injector. - Of 3 types of vehicle turrets the Caldari have ownership of two which have always been useful and at times a little too powerful. - Oh and last but no least the Caldari 'Murder Logi' that was fit of the month for a very long time and the Caldari Scout which was fit of the month more recently. The Cal Sent has insane recharge values and the Assault doesn't fall too far behind with a potential 100 rep/sec. I've just reread this and realised you were talking about Caldari tech. But again, you've specified Nove Knives as Caldari. They aren't. They're Minmatar. Just because Ishukone makes something doesn't make it Caldari. Ishukone makes a lot of things, they're Japanese - they copy and improve. Yes, they're Caldari themselves, but not all the tech they use is Caldari. I wish you'd stop with this, it's misleading and simply incorrect. No they aren't Minmatar. A simple look at the technology being used in Nova Knives should be enough to tell you exactly which part of the cluster they are produced in. However that alone is not enough to go on. They are an Ishukone product. Ishukone is a Caldari Megacorporation. Therefore Nova Knives are as far as we see a Caldari weapon. Nova Knives only oppose traditional doctrine. That doctrine does not eshew the use of clone combat weapons because 'lol we like da ranges'. The Caldari favour practicality and the right tool of the right job first and foremost because they can ill afford not to. Where do you get this stuff? The Caldari favour long range, sniping, kiting, range weapons, etc. There are no bonuses for Nova Knives for Caldari, therefore for all intents and purposes, they're not Caldari. Even if they were, it's a pointless argument, because there's still no bonuses. As for Ishukone making them therefore they are Caldari, Ishukone also make SMGs therefore they are Caldari, too, right? Seriously, the only weapons that MATTER are the ones you get bonuses for. If you don't get a bonus, it doesn't matter whether it's your race's weapon or not. it would be reasonable to say that maybe you might get into CQC and might want something for it "It's not my fault that you lost a 1 mill isk suit to a 1k isk forge gun"