DUST Search - POLL: Optimistic or Pessimistic

Shaun Iwairo wrote:

Optimistic.

The platform is right for a persistent game and I think that CCP will be able to go further into the sandbox style than the could on console.

My previous experience with CCP (Eve) has been good, though I did stop playing before jump fatigue and Fozzie sov were a thing so I can understand where others are coming from.

I'm also a little more realistic about where Dust on PS3 was heading and the problems with going to console in the first place so I'm not as mad at CCP for shutting Dust down as others are.

The new game will have a not insignificant initial playerbase (from Eve) that will hopefully be the critical mass that gets matchmaking to work properly (at least at first). As long as lessons were learned regarding the absurd situations that new Dust players were being put in, I'd expect new player retention to be higher and in turn matchmaking should continue to work well.

Alena Asakura wrote:

I don't think the KBM controls work as well for a FPS as the console controller does... That said, there are people who obviously use a mouse for aiming. They are just too quick and accurate for a controller.

This doesn't make sense? How can the faster and more accurate input method be the inferior one? Do you mind elaborating?

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Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2016.02.28 20:43:00 - [31] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Pessimistic Get ready to deal with hackers CCP because maximum hackers are on the PC platform. And you thought we had cheaters here on ps3 wait till the PC version comes out. How often does Eve get hacked? Eve is not dust..Eve has the resources dust does not..Eve also isn't a fps you don't need aimbot or wallhacks for Eve You will be in for a surprise
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 581	Posted - 2016.02.28 21:49:00 - [32] - Quote no game over they will not pass go/collect 200 u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 673	Posted - 2016.02.28 22:27:00 - [33] - Quote Very much on the negative side. WoD was in "early stages" for almost 10 years. Project Legion never got the dignity of the announcement that it was dropped it just went full fledged vaporware. Many other things I could rant about. The simple fact is as far as I am concerned CCP now has a record of seriously failures which I have no faith in them redeeming here thanks to how this is already being handled.
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2016.02.28 22:35:00 - [34] - Quote Incarna World of Darkness DUST Guess how I feel? Valkyrie looks good development-wise, but I guarantee it will fail becasue of VR. VR is a niche market with high barrier of entry. It is a gimmick and gimmicks don't last. Add in people like me with motion sickness and you have an even lower player base. I'm not paying for a VR setup only to find that I cant overcome the motion sickness. I'll bet, knowing CCP, they didn't make it easy to drop the VR out of the programming. Likewise, I see them taking way too long to get a new FPS to a point that people will enjoy it and not feel it is limited and repetitive. The FPS audience doesn't work like CCP works with slow, constant development. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
P14GU3 WarRavens 1	Posted - 2016.02.28 23:52:00 - [35] - Quote I am pretty pessimistic. CCP seems to be a lot more focused on their other projects at the moment. Moving to PC is going to require a lot more work for them seeing as the shooter community on PC is terribad and decent amount of them regularly use hax to get ahead. I have seen games from much bigger companies flop because they could not combat the hackers. I really hope I am wrong, but I guess time will tell. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - 'Sault GK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Sentinal MK.0
P14GU3 WarRavens 1	Posted - 2016.02.29 00:00:00 - [36] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Pessimistic Get ready to deal with hackers CCP because maximum hackers are on the PC platform. And you thought we had cheaters here on ps3 wait till the PC version comes out. How often does Eve get hacked? Eve is not dust..Eve has the resources dust does not..Eve also isn't a fps you don't need aimbot or wallhacks for Eve You will be in for a surprise And eve was plagued with hackers and bots for like the first 6 or 7 years. I used to hunt bots in PB when i first started. Trust me, I saw several on a daily basis. EvE has just started to get it under control in the past few years. Whats even worse, is the FPS community on PC is way more notorious for hacking than the RPG community ever was. This WILL be CCPs biggest issue with their new FPS, mark my words. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - 'Sault GK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Sentinal MK.0
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4	Posted - 2016.02.29 00:03:00 - [37] - Quote Really pessimistic. The absolute worst case scenario is that they just make DUST as it is now and put it on PC and refuse to learn lessons from the past. Not including the PC community who will hack the game into an inch of its life or the countless other FPS games out already it has to compete with but it can survive better on PC than PS3 even with such a small playerbase. CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 2	Posted - 2016.02.29 01:27:00 - [38] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Incarna I'm not paying for a VR setup only to find that I cant overcome the motion sickness. I'll bet, knowing CCP, they didn't make it easy to drop the VR out of the programming. . That's why VR will never be required. It will be an optional gimmick like 3D or the MOVE. No company is going to risk some no-life playing VR 12 hours per day for a week, getting screwed up eyesight, or chronic headaches, and getting sued. You will be able to play Valkyrie without VR Join the DUST STEAM GROUP
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2016.02.29 04:42:00 - [39] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Incarna I'm not paying for a VR setup only to find that I cant overcome the motion sickness. I'll bet, knowing CCP, they didn't make it easy to drop the VR out of the programming. . That's why VR will never be required. It will be an optional gimmick like 3D or the MOVE. No company is going to risk some no-life playing VR 12 hours per day for a week, getting screwed up eyesight, or chronic headaches, and getting sued. You will be able to play Valkyrie without VR Well, that might be true under normal circumstances. This is CCP we're talking about here. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 570	Posted - 2016.02.29 04:46:00 - [40] - Quote Optimistic. The platform is right for a persistent game and I think that CCP will be able to go further into the sandbox style than the could on console. My previous experience with CCP (Eve) has been good, though I did stop playing before jump fatigue and Fozzie sov were a thing so I can understand where others are coming from. I'm also a little more realistic about where Dust on PS3 was heading and the problems with going to console in the first place so I'm not as mad at CCP for shutting Dust down as others are. The new game will have a not insignificant initial playerbase (from Eve) that will hopefully be the critical mass that gets matchmaking to work properly (at least at first). As long as lessons were learned regarding the absurd situations that new Dust players were being put in, I'd expect new player retention to be higher and in turn matchmaking should continue to work well. Alena Asakura wrote: I don't think the KBM controls work as well for a FPS as the console controller does... That said, there are people who obviously use a mouse for aiming. They are just too quick and accurate for a controller. This doesn't make sense? How can the faster and more accurate input method be the inferior one? Do you mind elaborating? Something is killing new player retention.

P14GU3 WarRavens 1	Posted - 2016.02.29 17:12:00 - [41] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Optimistic. The platform is right for a persistent game and I think that CCP will be able to go further into the sandbox style than the could on console. My previous experience with CCP (Eve) has been good, though I did stop playing before jump fatigue and Fozzie sov were a thing so I can understand where others are coming from. I'm also a little more realistic about where Dust on PS3 was heading and the problems with going to console in the first place so I'm not as mad at CCP for shutting Dust down as others are. The new game will have a not insignificant initial playerbase (from Eve) that will hopefully be the critical mass that gets matchmaking to work properly (at least at first). As long as lessons were learned regarding the absurd situations that new Dust players were being put in, I'd expect new player retention to be higher and in turn matchmaking should continue to work well. Alena Asakura wrote: I don't think the KBM controls work as well for a FPS as the console controller does... That said, there are people who obviously use a mouse for aiming. They are just too quick and accurate for a controller. This doesn't make sense? How can the faster and more accurate input method be the inferior one? Do you mind elaborating? Neither is inferior to the other really. M/KB is faster and more accurate when it comes to shooting, but gamepad is better for movement and usually for switching equipment, ect. It all depends on your playstyle and comfort level. I honestly like M/KB for long range gunning like sniping and prefer gamepad for run and gun. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - 'Sault GK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Sentinal MK.0
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.02.29 18:42:00 - [42] - Quote worse than it was could not be ergo - optimistic Please support fair play!
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 1	Posted - 2016.02.29 19:12:00 - [43] - Quote Optimistic even given their track record with DUST. It's CCP. They make quirky sci-fi stuff that somehow I like mostly, they are going back to both their home turf as well as my own on PC. Being on PC by NO MEANS means instant WIN, for all of the extra power and extra stuff CCP can do there are unique challenges to overcome on the PC but I think after their experiences with DUST, the sore parts of the game will stand out and one would hope would never reappear in DUST PC.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7	Posted - 2016.02.29 19:36:00 - [44] - Quote There is only half a glass... Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3	Posted - 2016.02.29 19:58:00 - [45] - Quote Very much 50/50 but I have a feeling the PC port has been in the works since dust was a thing... I am among the 1st of my kind, and i will never forget. no empire lasts forever and i have all the time in the world.
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2016.02.29 23:59:00 - [46] - Quote When I originally quit Dust I swore I would never play it, but I will go back on that and give it a shot. If it doesn't work then I'll just go back to CounterStrike: GO and my steam backlog. The thing about putting it on PC is they are going to have a LOT more competition. So they need to get it right the first time.
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2016.03.01 00:25:00 - [47] - Quote CCP will have a ton of competition, but they have something unique in DUSTand that can make the difference.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 675	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:19:00 - [48] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP will have a ton of competition, but they have something unique in DUSTand that can make the difference. ? Lag? The only thing unique Dust really had in my opinion was the longer TTK which made for actual gun fighting that got killed off because of the early mismanagement of "balancing" creating a total mess to the point that we could not even get racial parity on even the weapons.
Skihids Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:33:00 - [49] - Quote DUST has a great fitting system, tons of skills, persistence, and a real sense of loss when you die. That is what it has over the other FPS's.
SOGZ PANDA WarRavens Imperium Eden 336	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:45:00 - [50] - Quote Pessimistic. Don't trust developers anymore with a product they say they will do. I'm sure CCP will make a nice shooter/RPG/MMOFPS, but it'll come in what I've started calling a 'bleeding cycle'. Where it'll be bare bones and will be slowly drip fed to us as it goes along, probably costing us money, all the while just doing the same **** over and over until our 3 monthly 'update' is due. Pretty much the style of development going on now from everyone. dust is life... ... uncertain, and usually pretty dissapointing.

AldnoahZero Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2016.03.01 04:46:00 - [51] - Quote I'm a natural pessimist, so I'm going with pessimistic.
XxBlazikenxX Kylo's Fist 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 03:30:00 - [52] - Quote I am very optimistic about the next version. Mainly because being pessimistic only causes problems, and doesn't help anything. CEO of Kylo's Fist // Pub Chat: The First Order Join us in our quest for all of Molden Heath! #freebenandjerrys
XxBlazikenxX Kylo's Fist 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 03:33:00 - [53] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP will have a ton of competition, but they have something unique in DUSTand that can make the difference. ? Lag? The only thing unique Dust really had in my opinion was the longer TTK which made for actual gun fighting that got killed off because of the early mismanagement of "balancing" creating a total mess to the point that we could not even get racial parity on even the weapons. Dust has many unique things over other fps's. A unique and persitent universe, where your actions could affect the entire community, one of the most detailed fitting systems, and also a unique community, among other things. CEO of Kylo's Fist // Pub Chat: The First Order Join us in our quest for all of Molden Heath! #freebenandjerrys
XxBlazikenxX Kylo's Fist 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 03:34:00 - [54] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP will have a ton of competition, but they have something unique in DUSTand that can make the difference. ? Lag? The only thing unique Dust really had in my opinion was the longer TTK which made for actual gun fighting that got killed off because of the early mismanagement of "balancing" creating a total mess to the point that we could not even get racial parity on even the weapons. Also, lag is very much a common thing among all fps's not just Dust. CEO of Kylo's Fist // Pub Chat: The First Order Join us in our quest for all of Molden Heath! #freebenandjerrys
XxBlazikenxX Kylo's Fist 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 03:37:00 - [55] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Really pessimistic. The absolute worst case scenario is that they just make DUST as it is now and put it on PC and refuse to learn lessons from the past. Not including the PC community who will hack the game into an inch of its life or the countless other FPS games out already it has to compete with but it can survive better on PC than PS3 even with such a small playerbase. Who says they won't learn from the past? They certainly did learn from the Rogue Wedding, as was seen in the way they announced this port. CEO of Kylo's Fist // Pub Chat: The First Order Join us in our quest for all of Molden Heath! #freebenandjerrys
XxBlazikenxX Kylo's Fist 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 03:38:00 - [56] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Incarna World of Darkness DUST Guess how I feel? Valkyrie looks good development-wise, but I guarantee it will fail becasue of VR. VR is a niche market with high barrier of entry. It is a gimmick and gimmicks don't last. Add in people like me with motion sickness and you have an even lower player base. I'm not paying for a VR setup only to find that I cant overcome the motion sickness. I'll bet, knowing CCP, they didn't make it easy to drop the VR out of the programming. Likewise, I see them taking way too long to get a new FPS to a point that people will enjoy it and not feel it is limited and repetitive. The FPS audience doesn't work like CCP works with slow, constant development. Valkyrie Gunjack EVE: Online Guess how I feel? CEO of Kylo's Fist // Pub Chat: The First Order Join us in our quest for all of Molden Heath! #freebenandjerrys
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Eternal Beings 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 08:47:00 - [57] - Quote I'm not sure. Long before pulling the plug for me it wasn't an 'if' DUST was going to be shut down but 'when.' I tried to stay positive but i wasn't stupid or betting on 'well maybe it won't', so when announcement came i wasn't shocked at all, i was disappointed. Think I'm tread carefully pessimistic, i hope CCP learns from this but no way do I trust them. I hope all goes well for Ratman & Duke but very wary, I'm optimistic they'll learn but wouldn't be surprise if they didn't, and no way am i getting a PC rig for notLegion, just one game. For a while all i played was DUST, got a new PS3 when my old one broke for DUST. It's good too branch out, thinking about exploring PC more, if notLegion comes out i may wait for feedback before taking the plunge but, lets deal with that when it comes. I guess I'm a pessimistic with a tiny bit of hope, and no need for told-ya-so. Even if the game is great, how great is it if the developers can't be trusted? SilentChaozz on PS4 Autistic Athletic Gamer
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Eternal Beings 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 08:50:00 - [58] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: I am very optimistic about the next version. Mainly because being pessimistic only causes problems, and doesn't help anything. There is a difference between being optimistic and being naive and being pessimistic and being ya know, not. SilentChaozz on PS4 Autistic Athletic Gamer
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3	Posted - 2016.03.02 10:05:00 - [59] - Quote Also those that say ccp as lots of comp on the pc space. I disagree with. They are not many good FPS on the market at the moment that have not run into ground at least non in the space dust will be looking to move into. I it also irrates me that just because their is comp they should not try. Apprently noone should make any games on the market because they are games they will have to compete with. Well no ****... Rant has been terminals by boss citing steady hand for 9000 on do some work I am among the 1st of my kind, and i will never forget. no empire lasts forever and i have all the time in the world.
XxBlazikenxX Kylo's Fist 4	Posted - 2016.03.02 14:26:00 - [60] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: I am very optimistic about the next version. Mainly because being pessimistic only causes problems, and doesn't help anything. There is a difference between being optimistic and being naive and being pessimistic and being ya know, not. And there is a difference between cautious and calculating and downright pessimistic and denying anything good can happen. CEO of Kylo's Fist // Pub Chat: The First Order Join us in our quest for all of Molden Heath! #freebenandjerrys



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