That's not my definition of a scrub. To me a scrub is a disgusting exploit player that will do anything to win. CCP has either accidentally or deliberately put certain things in the game that are "supposed" to be for one purpose but are used as exploits to gain advantage in the game, fostering FOTM followers.

An almost perfect example is the jumpy myofibs. They were supposedly meant to allow people to jump on top of things rather than use a dropship. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you over a swamp. There is no way that CCP would not have known that this would be exploited by all sorts of really obnoxious characters that will find a way to use it for advantage. And so it is, that heavies with mass drivers and assaults with shotguns are gaining ridiculously unbelievable advantage, which simply cannot be countered.

CCP has fostered these scrubs. Someone at CCP seems to really like messing up games like EvE and Dust, interfering with the mechanics and creating the very FOTM garbage they say they want to avoid.

To me, scrubs are the lowest of the low - dirty players that will do anything to win and follow whatever FOTM is currently fulfilling that desire in all their fellow scrubs. I refuse to play that game, and it makes this game so much harder for me, but I would stop playing rather than participate. Luckily THIS game is finished and I won't have to put up with this for much longer.

. There are some matches where leaving the match is my statement of disgust at the scrubbery of the red players.

That's right I don't have to play a game I don't like and when I encounter this vermin, I usually leave the match. If I stay it's to see if I can find a way to make some progress regardless of their ridiculous tactics, usually using one of my BPO fits, which they hate because they're inexpensive and therefore they don't really do me any damage.

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I would argue that your attitude is toxic, not their opinion. You can disagree with someone's opinion without the conversation devolving to what you just did.

I'm not talking about him - I'm talking about you. You should change your mindset. Your toxicity is one of the reasons these forums are horrible to visit.

I didn't like jumping mass driver's. Nor the frame rate drops in general. So I moved on.

Its not ******* difficult guy's.

Shut the **** up you disgusting scrub. You use the myofib mass driver combo not because you are trying to win a match but because you have **** for gungame and have to resort to an easy mode tactic to make yourself feel better about yourself.

But you have used 700+ armour gal assault XD.
And im called noob!?

Breakin, laugh all you like. It won't change the fact that this game is becoming less and less enjoyable for people who try to play fairly. For the record, I said "someone" not "one of". For all I know it could be all of CPM that thinks these disgusting tactics are fine. CPM tends to be fairly advanced players who advocate what they believe to be good things for the game. This becomes a problem with they lose sight of things like NPE, which is crucial for increasing player numbers.

As I've said before, it's just as well this game is ending. I'll add that in its present form it would not likely last too much longer.

The fact that pubs have degenerated into an all out slug fest for proto players, with stomping now being condoned in the name of burning everything before the end, says something. Why are they in pubs? Why not in FW where at least the opponents would put up a fair fight? No, they're in pubs where they can slaughter everyone that can't afford proto gear or doesn't have the skills for it. Where else are noobs to go? FW is all but shut down because all the protos have now joined the pub stompers.

That doesn't have much to do with "scrubbery" other than the tactics that are being used, but the fact that these twerps are slaughtering near defenseless noobs probably would fit my own definition of "scrubbery". It's pathetic.

Your attitude speaks volumes. You see nothing wrong with the way the game is going. You deserve the game to die.

At the risk of perpetuating this pointless discussion any further, when I really want to turn my back on the whole sorry mess, I feel I do need to answer at least these points.

There is a gradation of "fairness". It's said "All's fair in love and war". But I guess I would look rather to what is ethical rather than simply the subjective concept of fairness.

Yes, people who play fairly are seen as losers to a vast number of people these days, probably the majority. I count myself as one of these "losers", and quite proudly. I'd rather be a loser by playing fairly than a winner by any means available. That said, I'm hardly "losing", with close on 200m ISK and over 20m SP in only 8 months. I have 4 State LP suits paid for by earning them in CFW, and 2 State LP skins to go with them, which can only be earnt, not bought, as they're not transferable.

Yes I shoot other players in the back as they do me. Yes it's "unfair" by some sets of rules, but in warfare, it's not. Again, that saying "All's fair in love and war" comes up. But there's no ridiculous advantage here - all I have is a weapon, often a militia one, Caldari only (because that's another of the ridiculous rules I've imposed on myself) and a fleeing target, usually someone who fired at me first and then runs because I'm beating them.

I've never used REs to bait anyone. Yes, that's unfair but it's a valid tactic, scrubby though it may be. I've fallen for it many times, but have learnt to see the signs, and avoid following people for that reason.

OB? Orbital strike? Not sure what that is, but if it's an orbital strike, then as far as I can see it's unfair when it's bought with AUR, which to me contributes to the pay-to-win aspect of this game. Yes, I bought one once, to see how to deploy it. I don't think I killed anyone with it.

Yes, of course I invested SP into suits and weapons, but primarily into core skills which make all suits, weapons, modules and equipment better. Yes, I shoot starter fits, or at least I assume I do, but I wouldn't know because I don't exactly make a habit of checking first to see whether I can shoot them or not since they're usually shooting me, and if I don't shoot back, I'll die. In any case I mostly run starter MLT suits myself anyway. I find them fast, flexible, cheap (obviously) and totally adequate to what I do. I don't mind dying and have no KDR obsession like most seem to. I'm usually the one making the suicide run to take out some of the enemy camping the point when everyone else is either hiding in the shadows or sitting on a hill with a sniper rifle. You can do that quite well in a MLT suit, you know, and it costs almost nothing.

As for my ruleset "ruining" more than it helps, no, it doesn't. It actually makes me a better player than I would be if I allowed myself to follow the easy road. Players that stick to a purpose and resolutely follow a plan to excel in whatever they choose will ultimately be better than players that do FOTM or easy road. At the end of the day, when they nerf whatever is FOTM, I'll still have my skills in my chosen race and racial weaponry.

I will continue to play by my rules and leave matches whenever I encounter the sort of garbage that uses scrubby tactics. I refuse to add to their kills, at least any more than the one they get me with. They can rail against that all they like. If they nerf being able to leave matches, I'll simply stop playing. That will always be my ultimate answer to this game if it gets too ridiculous and disgusting.