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Cavani1EE7 1	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:26:00 - [1] - Quote that is all.
4lbert Wesker Intara Direct Action Caldari State 607	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:30:00 - [2] - Quote 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 473	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:35:00 - [3] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. but is it all? I was born with a joypad in my hands literally, started on the 2600 and on through the NES/SNES days, never really a fanboy but more of a gamer that liked to just play games because they where entertaining, I ended up getting a PC eventually because of various titles and have never looked back, i'll never understand while people pick mouse and key board over a joypad but in the end PC is where most decent games end up like from retro era. you could be a ps fan and never have the awesome exp of gears and left for dead and vice versa for games like uncharted etc on the ps, same goes on PC. there are games on there you would love but never get to experience because of either stubbornness or other reasons God damn it Jim I'm a doctor not a lag expert! CCP know me as character/2104011395
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 629	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:36:00 - [4] - Quote Modding /thread Farewell DUST
James-5955 Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 277	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. I'd dislike PC too if I still played a PS3 game that was only ever average at best and couldn't afford a decent computer so that I could play a wider variety of games, with mods, better graphics, and fluid performance.. But I'm an adult and a "real" gamer, therefor I make money and can afford nice things, and as a real gamer I don't care what platform a game is on I care more about the game and couldn't care less about what OTHER people play on. But hey, you do you bud.
Raz0rs Edge Second-Nature Shadow of Dust 76	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:43:00 - [6] - Quote welp here come the master race neckbeards to rain on you Razor's Edge has joined the battle Razor's Edge has left the battle
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 467	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:46:00 - [7] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: 4k 4k at 60 fps superior graphics because 4k at 60 fps FTFY, 1080peasant.
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 473	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:47:00 - [8] - Quote Raz0rs Edge wrote: welp here come the master race neckbeards to rain on you the only master race gamers are hardcore gamers that play most games on most formats, ahem God damn it Jim I'm a doctor not a lag expert! CCP know me as character/2104011395
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:49:00 - [9] - Quote 4K everything..50 inches of 4K naked women..yes I can do much more than just game..also I'm on ps4 siege with John and Diablo
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 473	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:52:00 - [10] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: 4K everything..50 inches of 4K naked women..yes I can do much more than just game..also I'm on ps4 siege with John and Diablo PSVR later this year, and Oculus, like strapping two TV's to your eye lids and having a happy little head God damn it Jim I'm a doctor not a lag expert! CCP know me as character/2104011395

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.02.09 23:23:00 - [11] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? If that's all you're cranking, that PC sucks. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 1	Posted - 2016.02.09 23:26:00 - [12] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. You don't even know what you are missing. Same gaming experience with a controller if you so wish only boosted! As a general rule, - Better textures, better resolution and substantially better framerate for better graphics. - Massive support for mods, custom maps and custom servers on a lot of PC games that you wont ever even see on consoles. - Cheaper games even when buying brand new releases as well as a plethora of stupid cheap good deals on many websites. -Massive customisation on the rig itself and all of your bits and bobs like controllers, keyboards, graphic tablets and music interfaces for the more creative out there. - Overclocking hardware for FREE extra performance. FREE MOAR FPS. I am sure there are more things. Yes a PC could potentially cost more than a console but it will certainly last longer than the console as long as you are smart with your build. You would be surprised at what you can get for a bit more money than a console.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP MORS CERTA 834	Posted - 2016.02.09 23:41:00 - [13] - Quote 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... The number you see in a corner is just to foolish you to buy expensive graphic cards. -- LKC -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 630	Posted - 2016.02.09 23:44:00 - [14] - Quote Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... The number you see in a corner is just to foolish you to buy expensive graphic cards. If you can't see the difference between 30 and 60 FPS then you're older than both those values combined... Farewell DUST
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 29	Posted - 2016.02.09 23:57:00 - [15] - Quote Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. Everything has to come to an end, sometime.
Doc Browner Subsonic Synthesis 334	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:05:00 - [16] - Quote Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. but is it all? I was born with a joypad in my hands literally, started on the 2600 and on through the NES/SNES days, never really a fanboy but more of a gamer that liked to just play games because they where entertaining, I ended up getting a PC eventually because of various titles and have never looked back, i'll never understand while people pick mouse and key board over a joypad but in the end PC is where most decent games end up like from retro era. you could be a ps fan and never have the awesome exp of gears and left for dead and vice versa for games like uncharted etc on the ps, same goes on PC. there are games on there you would love but never get to experience because of either stubbornness or other reasons literally? do you understand the word? Literally born with a joypad? Ovey I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 633	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:56:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. So why isn't EVE plagued with hacks? Farewell DUST
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 494	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:58:00 - [18] - Quote Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... The number you see in a corner is just to foolish you to buy expensive graphic cards. Heh, I thought people gave up on this argument when the difference became blindingly obvious in 60fps youtube videos? Something is killing new player retention.
byte modal 504	Posted - 2016.02.10 01:29:00 - [19] - Quote Lol@this re-un. That is all. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 480	Posted - 2016.02.10 01:32:00 - [20] - Quote Doc Browner wrote: Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. but is it all? I was born with a joypad in my hands literally, started on the 2600 and on through the NES/SNES days, never really a fanboy but more of a gamer that liked to just play games because they where entertaining, I ended up getting a PC eventually because of various titles and have never looked back, i'll never understand while people pick mouse and key board over a joypad but in the end PC is where most decent games end up like from retro era. you could be a ps fan and never have the awesome exp of gears and left for dead and vice versa for games like uncharted etc on the ps, same goes on PC. there are games on there you would love but never get to experience because of either stubbornness or other reasons literally? do you understand the word? Literally born with a joypad? Ovey well my mom is Skynet, I am AI. As we were being made and born we played pong,

byte modal 505	Posted - 2016.02.10 01:43:00 - [21] - Quote ^nice catch kitten bacon taco (nom)
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 481	Posted - 2016.02.10 01:45:00 - [22] - Quote byte modal wrote: ^nice catch My mom?
byte modal 505	Posted - 2016.02.10 01:54:00 - [23] - Quote Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote: byte modal wrote: ^nice catch My mom? I actually laughed out loud. Well... a short, loud "ha" but let's not get too technical. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.02.10 02:02:00 - [24] - Quote Oh my god, not this PC Master Race vs Console Peasant bullspit again. Let it die already. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 481	Posted - 2016.02.10 02:06:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Oh my god, not this PC Master Race vs Console Peasant bullspit again. Let it die already. real gamers play games on whatever, even ball in a cup,
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens Imperium Eden 482	Posted - 2016.02.10 02:10:00 - [26] - Quote byte modal wrote: Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote: byte modal wrote: ^nice catch My mom? I actually laughed out loud. Well... a short, loud "ha" but let's not get too technical. o/ It's all comedy
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.02.10 02:16:00 - [27] - Quote Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Oh my god, not this PC Master Race vs Console Peasant bullspit again. Let it die already. real gamers play games on whatever, even ball in a cup, Uh oh, the ball fell off the cup. But that's OK because there is a string tying the ball to the cup. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.02.10 02:49:00 - [28] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. So why isn't EVE plagued with hacks? I guess Eve doesn't need aimbots, did it? There is a certain line you know you should not cross when hacking a game, and almost any possible "hack" in Eve is crossing that line: infinite isks is easily trackable, and same goes for infinite health or, I don't know, instant mining? I'm not saying there is no way to hack Eve, I just feel like it is way too difficult and risky compared to the "reward". In an fps, especially in f2p, it's different. Think about aimbots. They are a pretty common hack and works wonderfully if you use them with caution. Although there is no hack for eve, anyway, there are (or have been, not sure on that actually) many "cheats" involving third party softwares... and anyone who played eve should know what I'm saying- We just have to hope that CCP have a strong anti-cheat system, otherwise... take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.02.10 03:18:00 - [29] - Quote Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... Yea, you have no idea what you're talking about. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.02.10 03:39:00 - [30] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... Yea, you have no idea what you're talking about. This is untrue afaik: human eyes can perceive a much wider range of "fps". Last time I've read something about it it was at like 150 - 200 fps to clearly perceive an image. Might be higher for some people, lower for others. The problem here is much more complicated than a simple "there's no need to go beyond x fps because I wouldn't perceive the difference anyway". It's actually really complicated, but the simple thing to test it is: Watch this gif. Can you see any difference between 30 fps and 60 fps? if so, great! You just answered yourself! take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514

Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2016.02.10 04:05:00 - [31] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... Yea, you have no idea what you're talking about. This is untrue afaik: human eyes can perceive a much wider range of "fps". Last time I've read something about it it was at like 150 - 200 fps to clearly perceive an image. Might be higher for some people, lower for others. The problem here is much more complicated than a simple "there's no need to go beyond x fps because I wouldn't perceive the difference anyway". It's actually really complicated, but the simple thing to test it is: Watch this gif. Can you see any difference between 30 fps and 60 fps? if so, great! You just answered yourself! You know, I hate it when I look up Google for articles or journals posted by experienced medical professionals to see what they found to be the fasted that the human eye can perceive in terms of frame rates. BUT NOOOOOOOO I keep running into nothing but video game websites with people posting seemingly conflicting information on what are the estimates. Isn't there a single professional article or medical journal describing in detail what's going on? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 530	Posted - 2016.02.10 04:11:00 - [32] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. Stupid Console Peasant Quotes is stupide or a fail bait thread
Maxor haxor Horizons' Edge The-Office 124	Posted - 2016.02.10 04:26:00 - [33] - Quote Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... The number you see in a corner is just to foolish you to buy expensive graphic cards. Here's what Wikipedia says. Quote: In 2014, it was shown during research that the human eye could see at various frame rates varying from person to person.[10] It is still unsettled on what the average "frame rate" of the human eye is, but so far based on recent studies within the last decade, show the human eye seeing anywhere between 75 to 150 fps with an average of about 140 fps. If you're seeing in 24-30 fps that means you might be needing an eye exam, glasses bruh? It is I! Maybe deadcatz!
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.02.10 04:27:00 - [34] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... Yea, you have no idea what you're talking about. This is untrue afaik: human eyes can perceive a much wider range of "fps". Last time I've read something about it it was at like 150 - 200 fps to clearly perceive an image. Might be higher for some people, lower for others. The problem here is much more complicated than a simple "there's no need to go beyond x fps because I wouldn't perceive the difference anyway". It's actually really complicated, but the simple thing to test it is: Watch this gif. Can you see any difference between 30 fps and 60 fps? if so, great! You just answered yourself! You know, I hate it when I look up Google for articles or journals posted by experienced medical professionals to see what they found to be the fasted that the human eye can perceive in terms of frame rates. BUT NOOOOOOOO I keep running into nothing but video game websites with people posting seemingly conflicting information on what are the estimates. Isn't there a single professional article or medical journal describing in detail what's going on? Well, I think this is not so "interesting" for the scientific community perhaps, don't know. The very least you can do to test yourself is to make a short video, put inside the video one frame with an image or just a blank frame and then play the video at different framerates. take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM] #PortDust514
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz The-Office 818	Posted - 2016.02.10 12:54:00 - [35] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: that is all. If you lol at PC gaming, you might as well lol at all gaming.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 481	Posted - 2016.02.10 13:06:00 - [36] - Quote Op trolling in true fashion bahahahajajajahahajajahaa That is all Ghosts of Dawn Rip beezwax we'll never forget you. ghtda #family
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 1	Posted - 2016.02.14 05:21:00 - [37] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. EVE online has the least hackers and cheats I have ever seen in any online game ever. I would hope that their PC New Eden FPS (Aka DUST 2.0) would be the same. (Hope - Being the operative word)
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 1	Posted - 2016.02.14 05:26:00 - [38] - Quote Aidualc wrote: 4lbert Wesker wrote: 60 fps 1080p at 60 fps superior graphics on 1080p at 60 fps Anything else console peasant? The human eye only perceive 24-30 FPS... The number you see in a corner is just to foolish you to buy expensive graphic cards. The Human Eye and Brain is an amazing bit of evolutionary engineering. I think it is clear from the overwhelming evidence that the human Eye can see far beyond 24-30 FPS. It is also estimated that the Human eye can perceive resolutions above 4k as well before you say that 4k is a Gimmick as well.
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 1	Posted - 2016.02.14 05:29:00 - [39] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Oh my god, not this PC Master Race vs Console Peasant bullspit again. Let it die already. (Trrrripppleeeee spam!) Honestly as a gamer I love PC and consoles both and usually have one of each. Right now its the PC + Playstation combo for me.
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 926	Posted - 2016.02.14 12:47:00 - [40] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: You know, I hate it when I look up Google for articles or journals posted by experienced medical professionals to see what they found to be the fasted that the human eye can perceive in terms of frame rates. BUT NOOOOOOOO I keep running into nothing but video game websites with people posting seemingly conflicting information on what are the estimates. Isn't there a single professional article or medical journal describing in detail what's going on? It's right there next to that definitive article on climate change. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop

Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 816	Posted - 2016.02.14 14:10:00 - [41] - Quote It's funny that gamers reached to the level of GRAPHICS to determine a good game. A game is based on the MECHANICS, the STORY (if it has one), it's GAMEPLAY. Forget about who got 4k res or 480i res... That means nothing. Remember that saying people say? You can't judge a book by its cover? Applies to games too guys :D so all them frames w/ all them lines interlaced or progressively scanned barely mean anything. Hit us console users with a better reason :P Plus.... I console for ergonomics and cost. I also don't have a reason to buy a PC (my laptop may be almost 7 years old, but if it ain't broke no need to replace it), so i just enjoy what i have. Isn't that what gaming is really about? One day modular consoles will be a thing...... Almost able to be a PC. Potential Pilot Proposal? Yes!
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 475	Posted - 2016.02.14 14:31:00 - [42] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: It's funny that gamers reached to the level of GRAPHICS to determine a good game. A game is based on the MECHANICS, the STORY (if it has one), it's GAMEPLAY. Forget about who got 4k res or 480i res... That means nothing. This is the stupidest thing I've seen today. If graphics mean nothing to you, why do you have a PS3? Why aren't you still on NES? Or Atari? Mechanics, story, and gameplay are great, but you forgot about IMMERSION. Which is accomplished with... wait for it... GRAPHICS. And sound. Quote: One day modular consoles will be a thing...... Almost able to be a PC. No, they won't be, because people who buy consoles don't want to upgrade their consoles and deal with varying system requirements, etc, which is one of two reasons to buy a console in 2016, the other being exclusives. If Sony/MS do decide to start making modular consoles, it will be RIP consoles. PS4 and Xbone have already driven plenty of people to invest in gaming PC's because they're garbage-tier PC components stuck in a tiny box that can never be upgraded. It's not coincidence PC gaming picked up at the same time this lackluster generation of consoles came out.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 816	Posted - 2016.02.14 15:10:00 - [43] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: It's funny that gamers reached to the level of GRAPHICS to determine a good game. A game is based on the MECHANICS, the STORY (if it has one), it's GAMEPLAY. Forget about who got 4k res or 480i res... That means nothing. This is the stupidest thing I've seen today. If graphics mean nothing to you, why do you have a PS3? Why aren't you still on NES? Or Atari? Mechanics, story, and gameplay are great, but you forgot about IMMERSION. Which is accomplished with... wait for it... GRAPHICS. And sound. Because I'm not from that era, (my first console was a gameboy). I still hunt down gamecube games and ps2 games, while i emulate GBA n GB on my phone. But you can still be immersed into a game, even if it's graphics are terrible. Look at Minecraft for example. It's just squares everywhere; but the thing is, it's targetting the creativity of the player. I buy something when i would really want it. Wip'Eout HD is kinda the thing that got me on the PS3. One of my favorite racing series. What i said later on would make more sense, enjoy what you have and don't judge a book by it's cover. What would you choose? Something that looks like it's completely real life but has trashy/gimmicky mechanics, or something that looks like a PS1 game with revolutionary and original mechanics? Anyway, back to what i mean: it doesn't matter if a PC can run how many frames with any number of resolution, a game is a game. If you can't have fun, but it looks pretty why does that matter? Potential Pilot Proposal? Yes!
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2016.02.14 15:17:00 - [44] - Quote I have games from the 70s right up until this decade, gotta catch em all! My favourite is gameboy (all 3) there's only one thing which has ever determined whether a game is worth playing or not, which is still entirely up to the player and that is FUN, nothing else matters. I was playing a game called dogs life on PS2 where you're a dog and you go around and I don't remember much else but still, it was fun! o7 >>>MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL!<<<
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 475	Posted - 2016.02.14 15:38:00 - [45] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: It's funny that gamers reached to the level of GRAPHICS to determine a good game. A game is based on the MECHANICS, the STORY (if it has one), it's GAMEPLAY. Forget about who got 4k res or 480i res... That means nothing. This is the stupidest thing I've seen today. If graphics mean nothing to you, why do you have a PS3? Why aren't you still on NES? Or Atari? Mechanics, story, and gameplay are great, but you forgot about IMMERSION. Which is accomplished with... wait for it... GRAPHICS. And sound. Because I'm not from that era, (my first console was a gameboy). I still hunt down gamecube games and ps2 games, while i emulate GBA n GB on my phone. But you can still be immersed into a game, even if it's graphics are terrible. Look at Minecraft for example. It's just squares everywhere; but the thing is, it's targetting the creativity of the player. I buy something when i would really want it. Wip'Eout HD is kinda the thing that got me on the PS3. One of my favorite racing series. What i said later on would make more sense, enjoy what you have and don't judge a book by it's cover. What would you choose? Something that looks like it's completely real life but has trashy/gimmicky mechanics, or something that looks like a PS1 game with revolutionary and original mechanics? Anyway, back to what i mean: it doesn't matter if a PC can run how many frames with any number of resolution, a game is a game. If you can't have fun, but it looks pretty why does that matter? Your entire argument assumes that good gameplay and good graphics are mutually exclusive when that couldn't be further from the case. Better graphics have pushed gameplay mechanics forward. The opposite has never happened. Without better graphics, we would all still be playing pong instead of rocket league, or super mario bros instead of tomb raider, or doom instead of dust 514, or metal gear instead of metal gear solid v, or tecmo bowl instead of madden 16, or al unser jr's turbo racing instead of gran turismo 5, or... you get my point, don't you? Better hardware leads to more possibilities. More possibilities leads to both better gameplay and better graphics. Shunning progress in either area is silly.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2016.02.14 16:42:00 - [46] - Quote Uhhh, there's a reason I don't play Unigine Heaven, or Valley. Easy PC building guide
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2016.02.14 17:48:00 - [47] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. So why isn't EVE plagued with hacks? Because EVE is not an FPS. To cheat in EVE, you would have to mess with the packets of data sent from the server and back. That's extremely easy to detect. Meanwhile, an aimbot only has to emulate mouse movement, something far harder to detect. The plethora of cheaters in PC FPS games >right now< should tell you something. And before you go "hurr durr peasant", I have an i5 6600k with an R9 390, I'm mainly a PC gamer. Easy PC building guide
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:08:00 - [48] - Quote My opinion of consoles is that they are for kids. PC gaming is for adults and serious gaming. I bought the PS3 for my kids with the intent to dabble with DUST 514. Also, the controller is the special ed version of mouse and keyboard. My opinion hasn't changed. CCP is going back to the PC for game design where they belong. Hopefully, (after this whole DUST debacle) they won't drag the kids along with them. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 689	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:27:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Murder Medic wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. So why isn't EVE plagued with hacks? Because EVE is not an FPS. To cheat in EVE, you would have to mess with the packets of data sent from the server and back. That's extremely easy to detect. Meanwhile, an aimbot only has to emulate mouse movement, something far harder to detect. The plethora of cheaters in PC FPS games >right now< should tell you something. And before you go "hurr durr peasant", I have an i5 6600k with an R9 390, I'm mainly a PC gamer. Well DUST is dead no matter what, so would you prefer it just be over forever, or that they try to make something out of their failure? Farewell DUST
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:32:00 - [50] - Quote Murder Medic wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Murder Medic wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. So why isn't EVE plagued with hacks? Because EVE is not an FPS. To cheat in EVE, you would have to mess with the packets of data sent from the server and back. That's extremely easy to detect. Meanwhile, an aimbot only has to emulate mouse movement, something far harder to detect. The plethora of cheaters in PC FPS games >right now< should tell you something. And before you go "hurr durr peasant", I have an i5 6600k with an R9 390, I'm mainly a PC gamer. Well DUST is dead no matter what, so would you prefer it just be over forever, or that they try to make something out of their failure? That is correct, I said nothing about that. I only said that there are objectively more cheaters on PC, and that it's a lot easier to cheat in an FPS game than something like EVE Online. Easy PC building guide

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 19	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:35:00 - [51] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: My opinion of consoles is that they are for kids. PC gaming is for adults and serious gaming. I bought the PS3 for my kids with the intent to dabble with DUST 514. Also, the controller is the special ed version of mouse and keyboard. My opinion hasn't changed. CCP is going back to the PC for game design where they belong. Hopefully, (after this whole DUST debacle) they won't drag the kids along with them. PC's are a lot harder to figure out than consoles. I'm someone who takes care of his hardware, and yet I still had issues that a normal person wouldn't know how to diagnose and fix. Consoles are great if all you want to do is sit down on a couch and game. They are an acceptable experience for most people. You and I are different, we have different standards, hence we step up to PC. Easy PC building guide
Murder Medic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 689	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:36:00 - [52] - Quote The hur dur peasant bit put me on the defensive, way too tired lol. I generally don't play FPS on the PC so I wouldn't know, I just remember how aweful modding got in Halo 2 and Borderlands 1 and those were both console lol. Guess only time will tell. Farewell DUST
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 2	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:58:00 - [53] - Quote Drops potato gameboy. Flips on switch. Turns on no problem. Drops fancy PC, RAM and hard drive stop responding must opens and fixes. Consoles=rugged and cheap and provide plenty of games that can be played without having to change out parts. Is very pretty. PC=does what a console does and what a PC does. Is more expensive the better quality you want from games. Parts must be upgraded to handle new and other games alike. Is focking beautiful with all the right parts and settings. Mods,custom content,can run multiple applications. But hey,I'm not of caring. I'll get both. There's a lot of games,and they won't play themselves. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 853	Posted - 2016.02.14 20:13:00 - [54] - Quote http://m.imgur.com/gallery/m3Fn25J
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 13	Posted - 2016.02.14 23:30:00 - [55] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Whilst most of the points noted by the PCMR crowd in this thread are true, in a 'competitive' game with a 'persistent' universe it is also immensely more vulnerable to hackers. EVE online has the least hackers and cheats I have ever seen in any online game ever. I would hope that their PC New Eden FPS (Aka DUST 2.0) would be the same. (Hope - Being the operative word) You can thank Tranquility Server (aka Big brother) for that. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 13	Posted - 2016.02.15 00:21:00 - [56] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: It's funny that gamers reached to the level of GRAPHICS to determine a good game. A game is based on the MECHANICS, the STORY (if it has one), it's GAMEPLAY. Forget about who got 4k res or 480i res... That means nothing. This is the stupidest thing I've seen today. If graphics mean nothing to you, why do you have a PS3? Why aren't you still on NES? Or Atari? Mechanics, story, and gameplay are great, but you forgot about IMMERSION. Which is accomplished with... wait for it... GRAPHICS. And sound. Quote: One day modular consoles will be a thing...... Almost able to be a PC. No, they won't be, because people who buy consoles don't want to upgrade their consoles and deal with varying system requirements, etc, which is one of two reasons to buy a console in 2016, the other being exclusives. If Sony/MS do decide to start making modular consoles, it will be RIP consoles. PS4 and Xbone have already driven plenty of people to invest in gaming PC's because they're garbage-tier PC components stuck in a tiny box that can never be upgraded. It's not coincidence PC gaming picked up at the same time this lackluster generation of consoles came out. In regards to graphics, I have something to say about that. But before I continue I want to remind everyone here that I am a cross-platform gamer. I have a decent gaming rig and several consoles from Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo including a Nintendo 3Ds XL. I have also once owned a gaming laptop before I switched over to a gaming deskptop for obvious reasons. I have played all kind of games and simulators on the PC while playing only a select few console games in my lifetime and I have invested a lot of money on both sides. Anyways, back to what I was about to say. Good graphics don't make a good game. Period. I don't care what anyone says and there is undeniable proof that even games with awesome visual qualities can still be terrible in ways that can hurt the sale of the game. I don't have to remind anyone here on what happened with Assassin's Creed Unity. That game was just messed up internally despite the visuals that can impress most Hollywood critics. I didn't even have to play the game to find out. Here is a review that covered gameplay alone: http://kotaku.com/assassins-creed-unity-the-kotaku-review-1657368877 Then there is this review that referred to technical problem with the game: http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/24/7445427/assassins-creed-unity-glitches-broken-free-dlc-problems Everyone no doubt agrees that Assassin's Creed Unity looked like it was painted by Leonardo Da Vinci, but it was virtually impossible to cover up the problems the game had. Because of the reviews, I chose not to buy that game. If you think CCP Games is bad at making games, just take a look at how Ubi Soft handled its own and don't get me started on EA. Sure, the better the graphics the better the immersion. There is no denying that. But you know what else can't be denied? How extremely easy it is to break that immersion with a glitch or bug or terrible mechanics. Here is another example. IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. It's a PC-based Combat Flight Simulator developed by 1C Maddox and it's available in Steam. It's graphics are not all that impressive (although Cliffs of Dover looks impressive) but it's accuracy with aircraft handling, engine management, and the fact that you had to build up a lot of experience in how to shoot down a plane with just your guns made it the prime choice for combat flight simulator enthusiasts. Non-combat simulators like Microsoft's Flight Simulator X (the IP of which was later bought by Lockheed Martin), Lockheed Martin's Prepar3D (it's practically Flight Simulator X but better), and Laminar Research's X-Plane 10 are often used by real-world pilots to practice many flights in the comfort of their own homes thanks to the high accuracy of the "flight models" which is a term used to describe how close to the real-world the simulated aircraft handles in flight. Then you have simulators that accomplish both great visual realism and pretty accurate handling such as WarThunder. Examples: https://youtu.be/S0-UR3FVH1E https://youtu.be/30pSJ0wOB6U https://youtu.be/fI9lN9pCJr4 https://youtu.be/EYPvzmOV580 https://youtu.be/yCSHmf3Y2zA https://youtu.be/NGYLubr4Dn4 That last link was for comparison. I could have used Minecraft as an example, but that's been done to death by other reviewers. Overall, my point will always stand. Visual quality might be great, but gameplay will always be a primary factor. If visuals always made a great game no matter what, then the reviewers at Kotaku and Polygon would have sung a different tune about it for Unity. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
SOGZ PANDA warravens Imperium Eden 286	Posted - 2016.02.15 02:54:00 - [57] - Quote People. Don't hate something cause you're a povo **** and can't afford it dust is life... ... uncertain, and usually pretty dissapointing.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:32:00 - [58] - Quote Not being held back by anything does sound nice. Unless CCP are just flat out mediocre developers that even their FPS PC version lags too. I know because ESO for PC it's PVP is pure trash garbage. The point i am trying to make is that It does not matter how advanced the hardware is if the developers are not up to par to make a proper playable game. "Searching for suitable contracts"
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2016.02.15 03:56:00 - [59] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Not being held back by anything does sound nice. Unless CCP are just flat out mediocre developers that even their FPS PC version lags too. I know because ESO for PC it's PVP is pure trash garbage. The point i am trying to make is that It does not matter how advanced the hardware is if the developers are not up to par to make a proper playable game. I got ESO on PC..I'm lvl 5 then quit..
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood 817	Posted - 2016.02.15 04:53:00 - [60] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: It's funny that gamers reached to the level of GRAPHICS to determine a good game. A game is based on the MECHANICS, the STORY (if it has one), it's GAMEPLAY. Forget about who got 4k res or 480i res... That means nothing. This is the stupidest thing I've seen today. If graphics mean nothing to you, why do you have a PS3? Why aren't you still on NES? Or Atari? Mechanics, story, and gameplay are great, but you forgot about IMMERSION. Which is accomplished with... wait for it... GRAPHICS. And sound. Because I'm not from that era, (my first console was a gameboy). I still hunt down gamecube games and ps2 games, while i emulate GBA n GB on my phone. But you can still be immersed into a game, even if it's graphics are terrible. Look at Minecraft for example. It's just squares everywhere; but the thing is, it's targetting the creativity of the player. I buy something when i would really want it. Wip'Eout HD is kinda the thing that got me on the PS3. One of my favorite racing series. What i said later on would make more sense, enjoy what you have and don't judge a book by it's cover. What would you choose? Something that looks like it's completely real life but has trashy/gimmicky mechanics, or something that looks like a PS1 game with revolutionary and original mechanics? Anyway, back to what i mean: it doesn't matter if a PC can run how many frames with any number of resolution, a game is a game. If you can't have fun, but it looks pretty why does that matter? Your entire argument assumes that good gameplay and good graphics are mutually exclusive when that couldn't be further from the case. Better graphics have pushed gameplay mechanics forward. The opposite has never happened. Without better graphics, we would all still be playing pong instead of rocket league, or super mario bros instead of tomb raider, or doom instead of dust 514, or metal gear instead of metal gear solid v, or tecmo bowl instead of madden 16, or al unser jr's turbo racing instead of gran turismo 5, or... you get my point, don't you? Better hardware leads to more possibilities. More possibilities leads to both better gameplay and better graphics. Shunning progress in either area is silly. Hmm, you do have a point there. I'll give you that. But that's with hardware... I'm still disagreeing with the graphics part. Potential Pilot Proposal? Yes!



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