DUST Search - remove starter fits

CrotchGrab 360 wrote:

Llamastar wrote:

I <3 u grab, but this post is tone deaf to the NPE. New players have no idea about fits, no skills or ISK. Nothing. Starter fits are a free glimpse at basic roles, weapons, modules, and match types; FOR FREE.

The problem isn't the Starter Fits. It's you being allowed in the same match with them. Meta lvl limiting what can be deployed into a Pub is the single greatest boost to new player retention CCP could possibly execute.

I completely agree with what you're saying and I'll tell you something, it's the same thing I have said for a very long time but recently I realised that because of the playerbase being so small, we can't ever separate all the players yet the players not being separated in the first place, was the problem!

I literally stopped going on about it because I realised it's too little too late but I have been saying the same thing for a very long time now.

I've also made posts in the past (maybe on another account) about the NPE and what needs to be done to give new players a legup but nothing has really changed so I've shared the same thoughts in the past.

My post was rather limited to the suits and not the NPE itself so it was narrow, I don't think people want me to go on and on though so it wasn't very explorative.

Also yesterday it was my birthday I was tired from work then went out to a friends then came back and was not sober yet went 59-0 when I haven't broken 40 kills in a long time, I know it's because they were new players but meta locking was such a ******* huge mistake on CCP's part.

We needed metalocking and tiered matchmaking YEARS ago to the point where everyone has almost shut up about it now because it's too little too late, we needed it when DUST had the players, now DUST has lost the players because it wasn't there, it was it's own destruction, DUST stopped itself from having a huge playerbase.

Just like MAG the game could have been huge and hugely competitive and had tournaments and esports and have a big streaming presence, selfishly then I would be a professional DUST player, I would do this for a living tbh and would have also played MAG for a living if it was huge like it should have been.

I am a sourvet not a bittervet, I have a constant overpowering sour taste on my tongue which stems from games before DUST.


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Llamastar Kylo's Fist 76	Posted - 2016.02.01 23:14:00 - [1] - Quote I <3 u grab, but this post is tone deaf to the NPE. New players have no idea about fits, no skills or ISK. Nothing. Starter fits are a free glimpse at basic roles, weapons, modules, and match types; FOR FREE. The problem isn't the Starter Fits. It's you being allowed in the same match with them. Meta lvl limiting what can be deployed into a Pub is the single greatest boost to new player retention CCP could possibly execute.
Llamastar Kylo's Fist 76	Posted - 2016.02.02 01:42:00 - [2] - Quote lamo guys wrote: Llamastar wrote: I <3 u grab, but this post is tone deaf to the NPE. New players have no idea about fits, no skills or ISK. Nothing. Starter fits are a free glimpse at basic roles, weapons, modules, and match types; FOR FREE. The problem isn't the Starter Fits. It's you being allowed in the same match with them. Meta lvl limiting what can be deployed into a Pub is the single greatest boost to new player retention CCP could possibly execute. My question also is how do you get placed in battles with recruits or players using starter fits? I only see them from time to time. I'm only rank 7 but usually only see at least 4 and above when I play, maybe a few recruits spread out through both teams. I'm Rank 4, can only use marginally Advanced fits ( like, still mostly Basic mods ) and regularly have multiple matches a night where the entire red side is Proto to the hilt, and that hasn't changed since I started playing a month ago and only had Starter fits. But there are matches here and there where the majority of the other team is Starter and Militia fits. Shrug. Scotty logic.
Llamastar Kylo's Fist 77	Posted - 2016.02.02 15:19:00 - [3] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Llamastar wrote: I <3 u grab, but this post is tone deaf to the NPE. New players have no idea about fits, no skills or ISK. Nothing. Starter fits are a free glimpse at basic roles, weapons, modules, and match types; FOR FREE. The problem isn't the Starter Fits. It's you being allowed in the same match with them. Meta lvl limiting what can be deployed into a Pub is the single greatest boost to new player retention CCP could possibly execute. I completely agree with what you're saying and I'll tell you something, it's the same thing I have said for a very long time but recently I realised that because of the playerbase being so small, we can't ever separate all the players yet the players not being separated in the first place, was the problem! I literally stopped going on about it because I realised it's too little too late but I have been saying the same thing for a very long time now. I've also made posts in the past (maybe on another account) about the NPE and what needs to be done to give new players a legup but nothing has really changed so I've shared the same thoughts in the past. My post was rather limited to the suits and not the NPE itself so it was narrow, I don't think people want me to go on and on though so it wasn't very explorative. Also yesterday it was my birthday I was tired from work then went out to a friends then came back and was not sober yet went 59-0 when I haven't broken 40 kills in a long time, I know it's because they were new players but meta locking was such a ******* huge mistake on CCP's part. We needed metalocking and tiered matchmaking YEARS ago to the point where everyone has almost shut up about it now because it's too little too late, we needed it when DUST had the players, now DUST has lost the players because it wasn't there, it was it's own destruction, DUST stopped itself from having a huge playerbase. Just like MAG the game could have been huge and hugely competitive and had tournaments and esports and have a big streaming presence, selfishly then I would be a professional DUST player, I would do this for a living tbh and would have also played MAG for a living if it was huge like it should have been. I am a sourvet not a bittervet, I have a constant overpowering sour taste on my tongue which stems from games before DUST. I don't think it's too late to improve the NPE. 200-300 new characters are created daily. But active logins remain static at ~2600. So clearly they come but don't stay. Let's say you gave Intro Missions to use each equipment type on the Starters ( Link, Rep, Nano, Needle, etc. ), with visuals of how to access the selection wheel; Hack each Installation type with an explanation of War Points; Buy a full Militia loadout specific to your Starter race with explanations of ISK, PG, and CPU; and train Armor, Shields, CPU, and PG skills up one level with an explanation of the SP Tree. This would accomplish all the basic equivalent concepts that Aura trained new EVE pilots on for many years. It would also cover the most frequent questions that newberries have. And then in addition you meta locked pubs. I firmly believe you could average at least 3 players retained a day. That's only a 1% bump. Not an unreasonable gain. That's 21 a week, and 90 a month. That's 90 more people each month telling their buddies how great DUST is, which bags you more. That's more AUR packs bought and Dev payrolls justified. If you could double the daily logins in a year ( completely doable with these numbers ) you'd have a strong case to make about the future of the game. Keep in mind that CCP has floated EVE for 10 years with daily logins of under 50,000. That's tiny numbers compared to most titles, yet it's profitable and stable for them. They have the ability and the patience as a company to make this a really long lasting experience that we'll still be getting salty on the forums about for years to come. I wouldn't stop arguing for the NPE if I were you. I would keep going till something shifts for the better.