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Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.25 22:36:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:You didn't win what you wanted in a game of chance that is clearly presented as a game of chance....
So when you lose all of your money in a slot machine at the casino do you also demand a refund?
Ah, but some people say that it's NOT a game of chance. Some people claim that if you save keys and use them in batches of 10 at a time, you will increase your chance of getting something good.
My position in this is that if it's a game of chance you will NOT increase your chances of getting something good from any one box by opening them 10 at a time. You WILL increase your chance of getting something good out of all the boxes you open in that one session, over the chance of getting something good from one box. Eventually, if you open enough boxes, you will get something good, but how many boxes will that be?
Buying keys to open boxes is just gambling. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.25 22:43:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Ggg Hjjhk wrote:6 officer weapons total!
Bunch of adv
Bunch of proto that I CANT USE!!!!
And that's it!!!! Not a quafe, skin, or bpo AT THE FU(K ALL!!!
I WANT MY ******* MONEY BACK i opened 8 earlier and all I got were construct, 8 yesterday and just equipment, ALWAYS open 10 at a time
As far as I can see opening 10 at a time does nothing. I have done both, opened individual boxes and 10 at a time. I haven't seen any increased rate of getting anything special. I never buy keys. I have over 3000 or the damned things sitting in my salvage and I can't get rid of them another tactic CCP is using to try to get more money out of people.
The only reason I save keys now is so I'm not always opening drop boxes. I open them 10 at a time because it's more time efficient, not because I believe I'll get anything good from any of them. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.26 06:05:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:As far as I can see opening 10 at a time does nothing. I have done both, opened individual boxes and 10 at a time. I haven't seen any increased rate of getting anything special. I never buy keys. I have over 3000 or the damned things sitting in my salvage and I can't get rid of them another tactic CCP is using to try to get more money out of people.
The only reason I save keys now is so I'm not always opening drop boxes. I open them 10 at a time because it's more time efficient, not because I believe I'll get anything good from any of them. Allegedly, opening 10 at once guarantees you will get "at least one rare item". Officer drops seem to count, so getting even a single wolfman's scrambler pistol among piles of worthless advanced gear would meet the claim. Several of my special items (quafe weapons, skins) have come from just opening boxes one at a time from the daily freebie mission, and this was after the introduction of the 10 key unlock
In a game of chance there are no guarantees. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.26 06:09:00 -
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Devadander wrote:You guys, I swear...
I opened ...2000:TWO THOUSAND... boxes. I have four unique quafe weapons, and three faction skins to show for it.
I've had zero luck getting anything one at a time. Opened at least 200 this way. Ten at once yields better results. Sorry if you can't believe it.
What part of rare are you guys missing?
Some people have luck, get a quafe in first 100 or so boxes. It's never what they wanted, mind you.
Edit: the first quafe RR was awesome. The second and third were WOOKIE RAGE.
Sigh.
In a game of chance, there is no way you can increase your chances of anything just by concentrating the number of trials you have in one go. The only way you increase the chance of something specific is doing more trials. Even then, each trial still has the same chance of succeeding.
Your four unique quafe weapons and three faction skins were pure chance, and I believe the numbers speak for themselves. You had to open 2000 of them to get just those. Others have managed to get almost as much opening less than 100.
It's chance, nothing more. If it were true that opening 10 at a time increased your chances of getting something good, you would have gotten a lot more than you did from that 2000 boxes. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.26 06:12:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Devadander wrote:You guys, I swear...
I opened ...2000:TWO THOUSAND... boxes. I have four unique quafe weapons, and three faction skins to show for it.
I've had zero luck getting anything one at a time. Opened at least 200 this way. Ten at once yields better results. Sorry if you can't believe it.
What part of rare are you guys missing?
Some people have luck, get a quafe in first 100 or so boxes. It's never what they wanted, mind you.
Edit: the first quafe RR was awesome. The second and third were WOOKIE RAGE. I'm lucky as I've never spent money on boxes and have Quafe CR,SCR,Swarm,Sniper. it is just pot luck and nothing else
Exactly. In a game of chance, one person can succeed 10 times in a row, while someone else never succeeds in over 100 attempts. If this is truly chance, as it's supposed to be, there is no way you can increase your chances of getting something good by opening the same number of boxes 10 at a time, only by opening more boxes. Even then, the chance of getting something good from any one box is EXACTLY the same.
Some people are just lucky. Don't try to be lucky by buying keys. That's just gambling. CCP would love you though. :) |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:43:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Sigh sigh. Alena Asakura wrote:
Sigh.
In a game of chance, there is no way you can increase your chances of anything just by concentrating the number of trials you have in one go. The only way you increase the chance of something specific is doing more trials. Even then, each trial still has the same chance of succeeding.
Your four unique quafe weapons and three faction skins were pure chance, and I believe the numbers speak for themselves. You had to open 2000 of them to get just those. Others have managed to get almost as much opening less than 100.
It's chance, nothing more. If it were true that opening 10 at a time increased your chances of getting something good, you would have gotten a lot more than you did from that 2000 boxes.
Alena Asakura wrote:
Ah, but some people say that it's NOT a game of chance. Some people claim that if you save keys and use them in batches of 10 at a time, you will increase your chance of getting something good.
My position in this is that if it's a game of chance you will NOT increase your chances of getting something good from any one box by opening them 10 at a time. You WILL increase your chance of getting something good out of all the boxes you open in that one session, over the chance of getting something good from one box. Eventually, if you open enough boxes, you will get something good, but how many boxes will that be?
Buying keys to open boxes is just gambling.
Alena Asakura wrote:
In a game of chance there are no guarantees.
The so-called guarantee was probably based on numbers like "for every 9 normal items there will be 1 quafe BPO". But if this is truly a game of chance which it's supposed to be, then that doesn't translate to a guarantee, only a probability of 0.1.
So you ignoring the official CCP announcement that opening a batch of 10 boxes works differently?
Quote:We have also added a little bonus UX, you can now open 10 boxes at the same time and get one guaranteed rare item.
SOURCE dev blog
SOURCE clarifications
Yes. It doesn't.
Rare doesn't translate to BPO. Yes, they have the ability to tamper with the drop rate if you open 10 at a time, but until they start "guaranteeing" a BPO every so often, something they can't do unless they do it once every 10 boxes, I'm not interested. I get any amount of "rare" gear I can't use. It's no better to me than the rest of the junk.
And for the record, if this so-called "guarantee" is real, that puts paid to the idea that this is a game of chance. That should tell you immediately that CCP is cooking the books. It's a rigged casino, nothing more. |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.26 20:44:00 -
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trooper7041 wrote:And despite all odds, we all have a better chance of getting awesome items/BPOs from these strong boxes than getting an update from CCP.
Certainly looks like it! ;) |
Alena Asakura
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Posted - 2016.01.27 09:56:00 -
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JDEZ09 wrote:Devadander wrote:You guys, I swear...
I opened ...2000:TWO THOUSAND... boxes. I have four unique quafe weapons, and three faction skins to show for it.
I've had zero luck getting anything one at a time. Opened at least 200 this way. Ten at once yields better results. Sorry if you can't believe it.
What part of rare are you guys missing?
Some people have luck, get a quafe in first 100 or so boxes. It's never what they wanted, mind you.
Edit: the first quafe RR was awesome. The second and third were WOOKIE RAGE. So far I have recieved -kaalakiota cal scout -Quafe Ar -Quafe RR Quafe RR is fantastic!!
I've yet to receive a single BPO on this alt. I'm starting to think it's just not going to happen. Whether I open ten at a time or just one, I never get anything much useful. Some people get second and third Quafe RR's? Ridiculous. |
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