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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
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Posted - 2016.01.22 20:26:00 -
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I see so many vids that clear show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved? |
Plastic-Jesus
Damn Dirty Pirates
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Posted - 2016.01.22 20:58:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi
Roghnaigh Do Scrios
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Posted - 2016.01.22 21:01:00 -
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unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
1
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Posted - 2016.01.22 21:12:00 -
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I dont think raw input turning is possible in this game even with a mouse. Am i wrong or nah? The max turn speed is the same with KBM and controller.
Precision aiming is real though especially if the player has an adapter that tells the system a DS3 is being used while actually using KBM. They'll get the precise KBM targeting and aim assist that is only useable if the system thinks a controller is being used.
Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
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Pierced Daddy
0ther.Haven
541
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Posted - 2016.01.22 21:28:00 -
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Just get a modded controller. Much more fun. And less frowned upon |
Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
428
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Posted - 2016.01.22 21:49:00 -
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The KB/M implementation is terrible in Dust, input lag for days.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Soto Gallente
369
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Posted - 2016.01.22 21:53:00 -
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I tried KB/M once. I never tried it again...
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
2
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Posted - 2016.01.22 22:20:00 -
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I was forced to use keyboard and mouse when the controller broke.
Ran a bpo logi most of the time.
One assault combat rifle.
It was OK. Since I wasn't a keyboard and mouse gamer at all I wasn't fragging like a boss. But laughing my arse off at anyone I did manage to kill.
Pulled off one of the most amazing matches ever.
The same bpo min logi, no maxed cores,just a adv rep tool,a nanohive and nanite injector. Level two in min logis nearly pulled a 5k warpoint game on the damn keyboard and mouse.
Try it out,goof around. That's what I did.
Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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Lightning35 Delta514
Federation Marines 62
3
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Posted - 2016.01.22 22:29:00 -
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I had m/kb for a few days.... Not the best decision I have made. I went back to ds3. Much more appropriate.
CEO of Federation Marines 62
"You look f* fabulous"-12Guage
Gallente Loyalist - Quafe - Gk.0
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Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
2
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Posted - 2016.01.22 22:53:00 -
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Straight up KB/M sucks d!ck. It was somewhat okay in beta but once Uprising hit it went to sh!t. It's not as bad as it was right after that but it's not really worth using unless you're sniping or forging. Also if you have bad gun game, you don't get AA unless you've got an adapter that tricks the ps3 into thinking it's a controller.
I'd wager a guess that these people you see are using one of those mouse controllers like this one. I've been curious to try it out myself but I can't justify spending the cash.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
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jordy mack
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2016.01.22 23:52:00 -
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why is everyone here saying "appropriate"? wtf does that mean?
ok so in my experience all the best players ive spoken to use controllers, most probably due to kb/m being **** (unless the adapter thing maybe)
i highly doubt most people can tell the diff between ds3 and kbm when used against them.
most people just use it as an excuse as to why they suck. dont be one of those people.
next time you are curious just ask the person you are watching they will probably tell you what input type they use. then you wont have to guess and assume.
or just try them both and tell us what u think instead of posting "what i believe".
no offence OP but ppl act like its some almighty secret cheaty instant win.
sorry to burst your bubble but everyone is free to use it, there are no "kbm kiddies getting the edge on me" theres just ppl who are better or worse at killing you. no biggie.
the end. :)
Less QQ more PewPew
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
2
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Posted - 2016.01.22 23:53:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:I see so many vids that clear show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved?
Try to play with wired DS3 if found myslelf somehow more better in gunplay when im on cabled controler.
"Im original Boii Boyko"
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.01.23 00:51:00 -
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Just as Useless as the PlayStation Move Controller.
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
1
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Posted - 2016.01.23 02:50:00 -
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The mouse is not bound to any kind of speed restraint. When used on a heavy it can be devastating as people do not expect you to turn so fast. It is twitch for sure.
However, as some people have pointed out, the buttons are all wrong.
I get it... G for grenade... My long fingers always miss it and open one of the menus.
Giving squad orders is nigh-impossible....
If you are a sniper, and DON'T use a mouse once you are settled, you are doing it wrong. Turn off smoothing.
"And god d*mn it I will be an artichoke, get off my stalk." ~Dust Fiend~
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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4lbert Wesker
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
582
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Posted - 2016.01.23 03:15:00 -
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Use mouse while sniping and forging only. Besides that, it's useless
WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
1
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Posted - 2016.01.23 04:54:00 -
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Kbm is still lacking. I would have quit DUST after a week had I not discovered this:
https://world.splitfish.com/fragfx-game-controllers/fragfx-shark-ps3-classic-ps3-pc-mac.html
These dinky game controllers make me feel like I'm trying to scratch my back with a bulldozer.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Mortishai Belmont
Second-Nature
Shadow of Dust
1
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Posted - 2016.01.23 05:57:00 -
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Using a mouse is superior when acquiring a target once you get used to it. A joystick has a "Dead space" when switching from left to right, you pass a neutral position, where as a mouse switches instantly from left to right.
It takes a lot of getting used to and you need a very good mouse and a pretty comfy keyboard. Personally I don't think you should be allowed to use them on a console game, but not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2016.01.23 07:03:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Using a mouse is superior when acquiring a target once you get used to it. A joystick has a "Dead space" when switching from left to right, you pass a neutral position, where as a mouse switches instantly from left to right.
It takes a lot of getting used to and you need a very good mouse and a pretty comfy keyboard. Personally I don't think you should be allowed to use them on a console game, but not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem.
Yea let's ban steering wheels, flight sticks, and arcade sticks from their respective genres as well. Enthusiasts?
Pffft. More like loseriusts, amirite?
/sarcasm off.
It's up to the player to take care of his gaming equipment. If you feel KB/M gives an edge (which it doesnt and never has in Dust) then its your call to make. Simply saying one doesn't like it so nobody else should use it either is kind of a bish move tbh. Just about any other competitive gaming community would laugh at that kind of logic.
Aim assist is the great counter-balance. It works, and there is no need to argue about KB/M being superior. Artificial deceleration was put on KB/M movement as well, and this was quite some time ago. If people like it, let them use it.
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jordy mack
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2016.01.23 07:07:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote: not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem.
lol yer coz it sucks... and i dont buy that deadspace bs. nobody moves the stick slow enough fo that to happen
Less QQ more PewPew
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
310
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Posted - 2016.01.23 08:11:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:why is everyone here saying "appropriate"? wtf does that mean?
ok so in my experience all the best players ive spoken to use controllers, most probably due to kb/m being **** (unless the adapter thing maybe)
i highly doubt most people can tell the diff between ds3 and kbm when used against them.
most people just use it as an excuse as to why they suck. dont be one of those people.
next time you are curious just ask the person you are watching they will probably tell you what input type they use. then you wont have to guess and assume.
or just try them both and tell us what u think instead of posting "what i believe".
no offence OP but ppl act like its some almighty secret cheaty instant win.
sorry to burst your bubble but everyone is free to use it, there are no "kbm kiddies getting the edge on me" theres just ppl who are better or worse at killing you. no biggie.
the end. :)
Yes, all that's fair enough. I am referring to the nature of the moves I've seen in vids that show absolutely nothing smooth - no gradation at all of movement speed, just sort of flicking around from one direction to another, exactly as I would expect from a mouse. Perhaps they are using a mouse for aiming, but a controller for everything else - is that even possible?
Anyway, I'm sure I can't achieve the sort of things I've seen even with sensitivity dialed right up. I already have mine at 90 and it's still a long way from what I've been seeing. It's the jerkiness of the moves that I can't seem to achieve - the cursor (crosshairs) instantly on target. Is this possible with the DS3? Do I just have to keep practicing? |
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
310
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Posted - 2016.01.23 08:13:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote:Just as Useless as the PlayStation Move Controller.
Hehe. I wondered about that. I've tried the Move. Really sad. It lags, it doesn't turn fast enough, the aiming is a nightmare. I wish I hadn't bought the thing. It seemed like it should work for something like an FPS, but no. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
12
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Posted - 2016.01.23 09:00:00 -
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Plastic-Jesus wrote:You will be disappointed.
Cannot quote this enough
Imagine a gigantic, shiny bug zapper.
Embrace your destiny.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
12
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Posted - 2016.01.23 09:03:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote: not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem. lol yer coz it sucks... and i dont buy that deadspace bs. nobody moves the stick slow enough fo that to happen
there's a reaction delay between shifting directions that no other game using controllers has at that level.
IMHO the DS3 controls were extremely poorly mapped as far back as beta.
Unfortunately the KB/M is absolutely terrible.
Imagine a gigantic, shiny bug zapper.
Embrace your destiny.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
310
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Posted - 2016.01.23 10:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:jordy mack wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote: not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem. lol yer coz it sucks... and i dont buy that deadspace bs. nobody moves the stick slow enough fo that to happen there's a reaction delay between shifting directions that no other game using controllers has at that level. IMHO the DS3 controls were extremely poorly mapped as far back as beta. Unfortunately the KB/M is absolutely terrible.
So.....
Nothing works? :)
I think I've determined from all this that the DS3 is the best of a bad bunch. The lack of positional accuracy notwithstanding, it does seem to be the interface that was designed into the game - it's the only one that does everything that's required for the game. The only issue appears to be the right analogue stick for aiming. Guess I'll just have to "git gud" and learn to use it properly... |
Happy Violentime
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Posted - 2016.01.23 15:48:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller.
Swapping weapons using kb/m is easy - to swap weapons you just use the central 'scroll' wheel on the mouse... |
Danja Dom
Th3.Immortals
Shadow of Dust
17
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Posted - 2016.01.23 20:48:00 -
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I use kb/m sometimes with no issue, but i totally dont use the eagle eye converter i had lying around, hence bypassing the in game kb/m problems ;)
"Rules were made to be broken"
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
1
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Posted - 2016.01.23 21:02:00 -
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You can indeed two hand with half and half.
It's a pain in the butt...
"And god d*mn it I will be an artichoke, get off my stalk." ~Dust Fiend~
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2016.01.23 21:15:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:jordy mack wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote: not enough people use it for it to be that big of a problem. lol yer coz it sucks... and i dont buy that deadspace bs. nobody moves the stick slow enough fo that to happen there's a reaction delay between shifting directions that no other game using controllers has at that level.
Halo 4 has it worse. Not sure about Halo 5, don't own an Xbone.
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Draxus Prime
Nos Nothi
4
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Posted - 2016.01.24 00:10:00 -
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KBM in dust just doesn't feel right. I mostly PC game and play a ton of cs go which requires a lotta aim practice but in dust it just doesnt feel right
"Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime
Closed Beta Vet
Scout
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2016.01.24 00:38:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller.
Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm.....
I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster. |
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Soto Gallente
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Posted - 2016.01.24 00:41:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster.
Not just gaming keyboards. Just take any old wireless usb keyboard, plug that sucker into the PS3 and it works, no programming required.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2016.01.24 01:18:00 -
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Soto Gallente wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster. Not just gaming keyboards. Just take any old wireless usb keyboard, plug that sucker into the PS3 and it works, no programming required.
As in programing for key mapping and macros. Any KB works on the game, but a cheap gaming KB and mouse can be preprogramed and then plugged into the PS3 with any key map you want. Macros as well. That's a huge advantage..... |
Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
2
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Posted - 2016.01.24 02:09:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Soto Gallente wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster. Not just gaming keyboards. Just take any old wireless usb keyboard, plug that sucker into the PS3 and it works, no programming required. As in programing for key mapping and macros. Any KB works on the game, but a cheap gaming KB and mouse can be preprogramed and then plugged into the PS3 with any key map you want. Macros as well. That's a huge advantage.....
They make remappable & macro capable ps3 controllers.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
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Abraxis Mangelor
Breach Team
52
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Posted - 2016.01.24 02:14:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Plastic-Jesus wrote:You will be disappointed. Cannot quote this enough
I'm curious. Is this reply limited to this subject?
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2016.01.24 03:21:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:I see so many vids that clearly show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved?
Feel free to use any USB keyboard and mouse.
But, prepare to be severly handicapped in basic rifle combat at ranges between 5 to 50 m, because that's the area where Aim Assist excels over MKB precision.
The reward for that sacrifice is superiority in forging, sniping and tanking.
"Cut cut cut - Trim trim trim!"
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2016.01.24 03:24:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I'd wager a guess that these people you see are using one of those mouse controllers like this one. I've been curious to try it out myself but I can't justify spending the cash.
I'm a MKB user and sought after improving my performance by getting on of those splitfish'.
Just terrible...Can't compete with 10 buck USB keyboard and Logitech G700
http://support.logitech.com/en_hk/product/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700
"Cut cut cut - Trim trim trim!"
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2016.01.24 03:29:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:
Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm.....
The unreliability of Dust command inputs happening make that unfeasible. Ever tapped a wep change on any control method, and nothing happened? Or pressed trigger and the Eq just did not deploy?
"Cut cut cut - Trim trim trim!"
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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jordy mack
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2016.01.24 03:50:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I'd wager a guess that these people you see are using one of those mouse controllers like this one. I've been curious to try it out myself but I can't justify spending the cash. I'm a MKB user and sought after improving my performance by getting on of those splitfish'. Just terrible...Can't compete with 10 buck USB keyboard and Logitech G700 http://support.logitech.com/en_hk/product/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700
aww... way to crush my dreams...
just last nite my freind gave one of those and i thought "wow cool, i might actually play dust again, if even just to try it"
lol
Less QQ more PewPew
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
334
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Posted - 2016.01.24 09:04:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster.
That's precisely what I was getting at. I have a problem with where I would put the mouse. Perhaps some sort of lap table, similar to the one I have for a laptop? It would probably not be big enough for both the kb and the mouse though. Unless I move my whole setup to a desk... I kinda like playing on my sofa, but it probably makes it too relaxed for playing Dust anyway. ;) |
Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
334
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Posted - 2016.01.24 09:06:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Soto Gallente wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Ankbar Latrommi wrote:unless I'm just blind or I missed it in an update, there is no key-rebinding on kbm. I hated where they had things. I kept wanting to swap weapons (or something I don't remember) in the middle of heated close-range combat and would invariably die as my game paused to bring up the roster or map. I just went back to 'troller. Gaming KBMs can be programed and then plugged into the console. So macros and bindings are pretty simple. Ever wonder how that scout decloaks, throws an RE, jumps, recloaks, and blows you up faster than you can switch to a sidearm..... I have been really thinking about switching to it for some time. The turn speed looks amazing and the targeting is much faster. Not just gaming keyboards. Just take any old wireless usb keyboard, plug that sucker into the PS3 and it works, no programming required. As in programing for key mapping and macros. Any KB works on the game, but a cheap gaming KB and mouse can be preprogramed and then plugged into the PS3 with any key map you want. Macros as well. That's a huge advantage.....
I actually do have a Logitech gaming keyboard and mouse that I have had to shelve because the drivers caused problems with the laptop I was using them on. But they might work fine for a PS3 and I know for a fact you can program them using a computer and load the programming onto them and then plug them into the PS3. Might be worth a shot. I'm not using them for anything else.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
335
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Posted - 2016.01.24 09:09:00 -
[41] - Quote
KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:I see so many vids that clearly show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved? Feel free to use any USB keyboard and mouse. But, prepare to be severly handicapped in basic rifle combat at ranges between 5 to 50 m, because that's the area where Aim Assist excels over MKB precision. The reward for that sacrifice is superiority in forging, sniping and tanking.
Since I started playing I've been bemused by all this talk of "aim assist". Yes I have it turned on, but I can't figure how it's "assisting" me in any major way. I've actually seen it work a few times, sort of a lock-on and it follows the target a bit, but that actually was a negative in the instance, when I wanted to just fire in a certain direction and hit anything that was there, rather than following the target. Other than that, I've never seen "aim assist" actually assist me!
Do tell, how does it work for you? |
ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
1
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Posted - 2016.01.24 13:39:00 -
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Been playing with KB/M for about 3 years nearly now.
I can say without a doubt that you will be dissapointed. I have tried about 3 different types of mouse, wired, wireless etc... and my crappy old wireless mouse actually has the best compatibility with the game. Even know it is the worst mouse I own.
Aiming is nigh on impossible with most weapons but you will find that both the Forge Gun and to a lesser extent the Laser Rifle can benefit a little bit from mouse aiming precision if you are baller enough to pull it off. |
Happy Violentime
1
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Posted - 2016.01.24 14:51:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:I see so many vids that clearly show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved? Feel free to use any USB keyboard and mouse. But, prepare to be severly handicapped in basic rifle combat at ranges between 5 to 50 m, because that's the area where Aim Assist excels over MKB precision. The reward for that sacrifice is superiority in forging, sniping and tanking.
You could always plug you mouse into a dongle like the chronus device, that way you can have aim assist, rapid fire and mouse precision |
Danja Dom
Th3.Immortals
Shadow of Dust
19
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Posted - 2016.01.24 15:09:00 -
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Yea, eagle eye converter is best, already said it, tricks the system into thinking it is a DS3
"Rules were made to be broken"
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ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
1
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Posted - 2016.01.25 18:46:00 -
[45] - Quote
KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:I see so many vids that clearly show the player using keyboard and mouse. The jerky, instant turns that indicate a mouse controlled move are unmistakeable. I also have seen the effect of being targeted by someone using a mouse to do that targeting. It's almost instantaneous. I can see how it's possible for using a joystick on a DS3 controller to achieve the same degree of precision, but it's just NOT possible to do it so fast.
I have avoided KBM because I believe the DS3 controller is the most appropriate for use with the PS3, but what benefit is it to me if the KBM kiddies have the upper hand due to speed and precision? There is no doubt that the DS3 is appropriate for certain types of games - I play Ace Combat games which are totally acceptable on the DS3 - the style of the controller with its analogue sticks is completely correct for this type of game. But for something like Dust, I'm starting to think it should simply have been on the PC in the first place, KBM and all. Given it's on PS3, using a keyboard and mouse seems unfortunate to me, but reasonable.
Has anyone else any views on this? Is it simply a matter of using whatever is appropriate? I noted that there are some things that I couldn't figure out how to do with my little keypad keyboard, like Daily Missions - how are things like that achieved? Feel free to use any USB keyboard and mouse. But, prepare to be severly handicapped in basic rifle combat at ranges between 5 to 50 m, because that's the area where Aim Assist excels over MKB precision. The reward for that sacrifice is superiority in forging, sniping and tanking.
This man speaks the truth.
and Kero! You joined us at DMG? :D (Its CmdrBolt btw) I might have to log back on for some forge action  |
Bradric Banewolf
Eternal Beings
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2016.01.25 19:36:00 -
[46] - Quote
If you really want to get better just train with what you been using, and get better. All these so-called "slayers" simply use modded controllers to alter movement speed, aim, and rate of fire. They still suck without it, and you know this because they still get rekt and have now started glitching on top of their mods....
If you weren't good with DS3 just change your playstyle, tactics, and strategy. Sometimes it's the way you apply what you use, and not what you're using.
Clear example is all these modded controller players still eating sand, and getting thrashed when up against good teams in PC. They'll always be kd padding pub stars, and mods and glitches won't save them when up against team work, tactics, and disciplined players.
The end
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
346
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Posted - 2016.01.25 22:31:00 -
[47] - Quote
Bradric Banewolf wrote:If you really want to get better just train with what you been using, and get better. All these so-called "slayers" simply use modded controllers to alter movement speed, aim, and rate of fire. They still suck without it, and you know this because they still get rekt and have now started glitching on top of their mods.... If you weren't good with DS3 just change your playstyle, tactics, and strategy. Sometimes it's the way you apply what you use, and not what you're using. Clear example is all these modded controller players still eating sand, and getting thrashed when up against good teams in PC. They'll always be kd padding pub stars, and mods and glitches won't save them when up against team work, tactics, and disciplined players. The end
Thanks for the good advice. Yes, I can see what you're getting at. I actually still like the DS3, I just think I need to learn a new way of using it. I'm used to flight combat sims, where smoothness of use of the controls is extremely important for aiming as well as for flying. In Dust, I find myself trying to do the same thing, in particular taking too much time aiming and then getting shot by my target before I have a chance to fire off a shot.
So I need to learn to be quicker with the controls. Positional accuracy, as with a mouse, would seem to be of help, and I mistakenly thought that the PS Move would also do this, but it's a fail because it's just not accurate enough. Yes, I can quickly move the crosshairs, but I can't position them precisely enough. If I learn to use the analog sticks of the DS3 in a manner quick enough and accurate enough to function in Dust, that will be probably all I need.
So yes, it's not about what I'm using so much as how I use it. |
jordy mack
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2016.02.06 16:23:00 -
[48] - Quote
Bradric Banewolf wrote:If you really want to get better just train with what you been using, and get better. All these so-called "slayers" simply use modded controllers to alter movement speed, aim, and rate of fire. They still suck without it, and you know this because they still get rekt and have now started glitching on top of their mods.... If you weren't good with DS3 just change your playstyle, tactics, and strategy. Sometimes it's the way you apply what you use, and not what you're using. Clear example is all these modded controller players still eating sand, and getting thrashed when up against good teams in PC. They'll always be kd padding pub stars, and mods and glitches won't save them when up against team work, tactics, and disciplined players. The end
im curious which "glitch" you are refering to and which modded controller you believe alters your movement speed.
Less QQ more PewPew
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Living Rock 523
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2016.02.06 17:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
Alena Asakura wrote:Other than that, I've never seen "aim assist" actually assist me!
From what I've seen over the past few days (my first matches since around last July) the AA has been seriously toned down, and I haven't really noticed it at all.
When I played (for around a week or so) last July I noticed that when hip firing the bullets seemed magnetized, and even shots that were clearly off target found their mark.
Back in 1.6 (pretty sure it was 1.6, in the last half of 2013) when they "turned AA back on" you could ADS and any enemy movement horizontally across your reticle would "grab" your reticle and it would follow the enemy for a fraction of a second (an eternity in game) with no input from your controller. You could ADS at 1 stationary target, and if there were 2 other targets wiggling horizontally back and forth across your reticle in opposite directions your reticle would go crazy, swinging wildly to the left and right with absolutely no input from the controller. There was a very negative outcry on the forums, and this version of AA went away pretty quick (a couple weeks, 1 month?), though at the time CCP claimed they had not fiddled with AA settings what so ever |
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