Exactly....
Been around since the beginning and in all honesty the guys playing now are better than the sad dinosaurs that failed to adapt to the game.
Completely different environment today. EVERYONE has proto/officer not just the guys that lament the good old days because they were 20 mill SP ahead of the average player.

That being said...Have to agree GD is probably not the right place for the topic.

Are you illiterate? I don't see any excuses for anything, and considering last time I seen you in game I fed it to you until you left game I should be the one laughing. No go back into your hole.

*tl;dr: chest thumping from a pub star

Kid you were then and are now a nobody and no your MU and mine are the same as you obviously don't even understand how that works. I ringer in PCs every week kid so, maybe you want to get your **** straight or even better we can q sync anytime you like and ill hand your delusional ass to you.

You failed to add anything concrete to the argument because you can't back up any statement you make. Try reading the logic in the posts before your ego makes you post more QQ about how the game is less competitive. You might also want to have someone explain to you how MU works as you clearly don't understand it. So until you can offer something other than fantasy and nostalgia you should probably just stick with posting in player trading.

You are pathetic.

Maybe a better question is who are you? Don't see your name above mine on those weeklies or monthlies. I have also not seen anyone coming back and ruling anything. All I see is Latinos scooping up the lag infested PC landscape. The reality is today is a totally different game environment from 3 years ago. There is a much smaller gap in SP and gear at the highest levels of play (PC) today than then. You also have a great deal more corps outside North America that are organized and effective. Sorry your toon is too young to actually know what the beginning was like, but truth is its a game that has and is changing. The level of players now is on par with any other point in the game. As a matter of fact what you have now is a more concentrated player base. Any Pub will show you that. You see the same players over and over, and guess what WE ALL HAVE MILLIONS OF SP. Not like when you played randoms every game 2 years ago and the average player was 10 mill SP or less into the game. So math may be hard for you as typing obviously is...but the average pub match these days is closer to a PC 3 years ago than the PCs of then are to PCs now. Sorry if you have a ego issue but that's a reality. Its also a game kid and believe it or not there is only some much differential built into it. So unless you have a gear/SP/squad advantage we are all on the same footing. The only edge outside of those factors is exploits/macros. So unless you have 6 fingers or a lag switch the reality is the best of today are as good as the best then if not better. In fact, many of the best from then are still playing today. Those that aren't chose to spend their time on something else, but if they stayed according you they would not be as good as if they quite and faded into nostalgia.
Now lets see if your small brain or small ***** retorts. I'm betting the latter as you can't present an argument to back the former.

Umm.....
They have less of an advantage now than then. The difference between 80 mill and 160 mill is not nearly as significant. You have finished protoing out any roles and cores. The difference between 10mill and 30mill is monumental. That is the difference 3 years ago. Many more of us have long past the SP plateau that just leads to redundant filling of roles with other racial equivalents.

Rest of this is not aimed at you Heim:

I'm not saying there were no good players three years ago, but it is phallic thought to even compare players that left with players that now play. From most of these guys reasoning you are automatically worse than other vets because you did not quit?? So according to them all you have to do is quit dust and troll the forums every few months by spamming how good things were and you'll be a legend.

From an empirical point of view this is the toughest environment DUST has ever had. SP, ISK, officer/proto, and squading are at the highest ratio they have been since the game started. As the game continues to lose player base this will continue to increase. These are called facts. So I am still waiting for this reasoning that leaving the game somehow makes better at the game to be explained in actual factual terms. lol

Man this OP should have been in the War room....

no, entirely true.

As well as how most players now are pretty bad compared to the beta vets. I know for a fact that now if 0.H and AE returned they would be considered OP, but they used to get rekt by Team players, OG Nyain and Imperfects. not sure about PFB there.

I see you could not come back with an intelligent argument. The only bent kid here was you, as is obvious by your posts. Now you are stuck in "I'm trying to not sound bent by pointing" mode.
Read the post>>>mine thought out and informed>>>>>yours anecdotal rants devolving into personal attacks. A hint here "kid" pick fights where you can win them.

Another thing: Nyain pretty much did what they wanted when they wanted. They had the players, the lag, and the timers in their favor. When most of their players moved on to other games the other corps got a chance. It was months after they died before the first corp got up the courage to poke the corpse. I'm not a Nyain fan, but that's the sad facts.

Yes! Keep up the salty tears! Oh they're tearing at my shins! delicious!

I just love hearing that 'beta vets this' and 'beta vets that' argument.

Still waiting for you to say something relevant or factual....
So why don't you keep your childish personal attacking neck beard 31 year old has been quips to yourself. CHILDISH. No wonder you failed at life. You ego is bigger than your ***** and that is never a good thing.
The adults are having a real discussion and you are just distracting us with your diarrhea of the mouth. Seriously read your post and ask yourself if you sound like a sensible adult or an idiotic child....I can tell you what the rest of us think. So when you have something factual or relevant feel free to type, but please resist the urge to post more stupidity that is off topic "kid". there is a reason no one knows who you are, and with that attitude issue I'm pretty sure no one wants to.

Your born on date was in march after beta kid. Sorry to out you. Lying less makes your arguments better. Again kid can you read and understand the difference between 12 million and 6 million versus 80 million and 160 million. Read the post slowly and it becomes easier. A player at with all cores and proto vs a player without these is a slaughter. A player with 6 roles proto VS a player with 9 is not even a noticeable difference.

True, but the few Imp vets were still the best in the game - I know because I hated them with every Dust breath I took.

The fact that no team can stay on top is a better litmus test. When you truly have competition things change at the top. Lag, exploits and farming mentality are the only real issues keeping PC down right now. In truth at this point most PC players have corp hopped so much its hard to even associate them with any specific team.