ITT: People who have forgotten the massive price mark-ups on new electronics, or the PS3 at launch.

I guess this means Valkyrie has officially flopped and CCP can turn their attention back to Dust, amirite?

You're wetting my blanket and I don't appreciate that. (I mean, really... no one would)

Can't you understand I want it to fail?

After what CCP has done to Dust, Karma is a welcome guest to this dinner table. Don't go chasing her off.

Oh no, remember? Being bought out by Facebook supposedly allowed them to lower the price of the Rift. I hate to think what they would have tried to sell it for if they hadn't

You're wetting my blanket and I don't appreciate that. (I mean, really... no one would)

Can't you understand I want it to fail?

After what CCP has done to Dust, Karma is a welcome guest to this dinner table. Don't go chasing her off.

Buy hololens and use it on PC =ƒñö

Hololens is definitely going to beat all.

Considering it is not currently for sale and if you can get an invite it is several thousand dollars I do not think now is the time to be telling people to get it.

^ didn't mean for people to start pre ordering yet =ƒñù but something to look into before buying VR

Thats exactly my issue with the price. For me I would have to drop a few hundred into a new video card putting my total price at nearly $1000 to play with the freaking thing.

Sorry but no games worth a down payment on a car no matter how much money you have.

I read an article before the price was released saying the cost to use Oculus was $1500 for VR and PC. They guessed the PC would have to be around $800 and predicted a $600 VR.

They made a less than stellar lobby shooter (with some really cool ideas, the act of customizing a fit is really fun) on a platform that was on its way out and weren't able to achieve some of their overarching ambitions with the title. That puts them in league with like ... almost every developer ever, sometimes **** doesn't work out.

Some of you guys act like CCP killed your dog or something, sheesh.

Screwing a game up can be forgiven. I'm referring to how they treated the Dust community afterwards. Rouge wedding notwithstanding, They did not take responsibility for their promises and screwups, they got caught between milking the existing playerbase and sweeping the whole affair under the rug.

What makes CCP deplorable in this situation is that they attempted to do both at the same time. Respectable individuals do not do that kind of thing. CCP openly does.

To make things worse is that when given the opportunity to right the wrongs of the past, they decided to chase a high-risk venture like VR instead. That's a complete lack of integrity. And yes, I am openly hoping for them to fail because right now they deserve the sting of failure.

Screwing a game up can be forgiven. I'm referring to how they treated the Dust community afterwards. Rouge wedding notwithstanding, They did not take responsibility for their promises and screwups, they got caught between milking the existing playerbase and sweeping the whole affair under the rug.

What makes CCP deplorable in this situation is that they attempted to do both at the same time. Respectable individuals do not do that kind of thing. CCP openly does.

To make things worse is that when given the opportunity to right the wrongs of the past, they decided to chase a high-risk venture like VR instead. That's a complete lack of integrity. And yes, I am openly hoping for them to fail because right now they deserve the sting of failure.

Besides, Valkyrie is CCP Atlanta's baby. We have literally no clue what Shanghai's been up to since Rouge.

I heard Valkary and some cheaper VR game were included with the Rift. Not 100% on that though.

Oculus would have been much better of losing some of the puff in the bundle and going with a basic starter kit at 100 - 150 dollars less while selling this as a premium bundle.

So they made a less than stellar game, announced a complete reboot of the Dust 514 concept with Legion (albeit in a pretty terrible way, the Rouge wedding was lol), went on immediate damage control after Legion and explained that assets would be transferrable from Dust. Later on they noted that they'd never again end up in a situation where they announce or show off pie in the sky 5+ year vision statements with little actual completed progress (there's your 'taking responsibility'), and then recommitted some of their resources with Rattati's team in making Dust on PS3 the best it could be within the limitations they were working under.

They were never obligated to do anything with Dust post Rouge wedding and that they have is apology enough in my book.

Regarding chasing 'high-risk ventures like VR' instead ... what do you think CCP is supposed to do as a business here? The positive reception around the original EVE VR tech demo was enormously positive and they saw an opportunity to become the face of Year 1-2 VR. Currently there is not a single game that looks better than Valkyrie announced on any VR platform right now and they've set themselves up to be bundled in with every pre-ordered Oculus shipped. That you think any of the above has done anything to their 'integrity' as a company probably means that you'd be better off stepping back for a while, if you genuinely feel 'offended' by the notion of how a multinational corporation decides to spend their money (especially when it's for ya know, videogame projects) then I think you've become too emotionally connected to be objective about all this anymore.

Besides, Valkyrie is CCP Atlanta's baby. We have literally no clue what Shanghai's been up to since Rouge.

And the takeaways is clear,

• The driving force for the cost of CV1 is the headset itself. The add ons, the controller, the high end audio, case and games are not significantly impacting the bottom line.