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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM
RUST415
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Posted - 2016.01.04 20:38:00 -
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Role bonus: 2% bonus to reload speed per level
Suit bonus: 1% bonus to sidearm laser weaponry per level, 1% bonus to projectile resistance, 1% bonus to hybrid-rail resistance
Discuss.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2016.01.04 20:44:00 -
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No.
Non specialized frames shall not receive bonuses.
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SAMEERio
Th3.Immortals
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Posted - 2016.01.04 20:44:00 -
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Don't even bother
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2016.01.04 21:03:00 -
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Soto Gallente wrote:Role bonus: 2% bonus to reload speed per level
Suit bonus: 1% bonus to sidearm laser weaponry per level, 1% bonus to projectile resistance, 1% bonus to hybrid-rail resistance
Discuss.
Good thinking line but I have to say no to those specifics.
5% total bonus to a couple of things for maxing out a useless suit other wise is not incentive enough. Thanks to multipliers levels 4 and 5 are seriously expensive.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2016.01.04 21:33:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:No.
Non specialized frames shall not receive bonuses.
I don't entirely agree. Right now there is little incentive to use frames for really anything, and while I think they should be sub-par to a specialized frame within its own specialty, it should still have a decent level of usefulness.
In some regards we've already taken steps to make this happen. For example the Medium Frame (in most cases) is structured as a middle ground between an Assault and a Logistics. It tends to have the middle ground between speed and defense, has more equipment than an Assault but less than a Logistics, and has a sidearm like an Assault but unlike the Logistics.
I think giving it a mix of bonuses between the two specialties, but ultimately weaker bonuses within a specific category, isn't a terrible train of thought to entertain. Ultimately a Logi will still be a better Logi than the Medium Frame, and an Assault will still be a better Assault than a Medium Frame, but the Medium Frame would have a degree of flexibility which is really indicative of the generalist role it is supposed to fill.
Now as for specifics on values I won't really comment, but they need to be clearly inferior to the specialized version within that bonus, but also not completely lackluster as deezy pointed out.
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Yoda Boss
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2016.01.04 21:37:00 -
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Soto Gallente wrote:Role bonus: 2% bonus to reload speed per level
Suit bonus: 1% bonus to sidearm laser weaponry per level, 1% bonus to projectile resistance, 1% bonus to hybrid-rail resistance
Discuss.
I say add that sidearm bonus to every SENTINEL. Basic suits get nothing.
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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM
RUST415
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:00:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:No.
Non specialized frames shall not receive bonuses.
Reasoning?
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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Soto Gallente
BLUEBERRIES WITH AUTISM
RUST415
161
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:00:00 -
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Edited title for accuracy
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:04:00 -
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Soto Gallente wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:No.
Non specialized frames shall not receive bonuses. Reasoning?
Because the in game description says so. Just give them better pg/CPU or make them cheaper or something. But bonuses are a no no.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:12:00 -
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Originally basic frames were suppose to be more similar to T1 while specialized suits were to be like T2.
The first thing that broke this was a lack of bonuses. If you look at Eve the bonuses center around weapons and defenses with the other ships getting bonuses to ewar and what not but Dust did not have the racial parity at the time to even consider that type of implementation. Upon realizing this the requirement for specialized suits was dropped and the totally useless basic frames were born. With no uses they fell into being ignored and became even less likely to get any attention.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:25:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Originally basic frames were suppose to be more similar to T1 while specialized suits were to be like T2.
The first thing that broke this was a lack of bonuses. If you look at Eve the bonuses center around weapons and defenses with the other ships getting bonuses to ewar and what not but Dust did not have the racial parity at the time to even consider that type of implementation. Upon realizing this the requirement for specialized suits was dropped and the totally useless basic frames were born. With no uses they fell into being ignored and became even less likely to get any attention.
Nailed it.
In the case of the Amarr Heavy frame, if you followed the EVE model, it would be like
+% to Laser Weapon Damage
+% to Armor Damage Resistance
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:34:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Originally basic frames were suppose to be more similar to T1 while specialized suits were to be like T2.
The first thing that broke this was a lack of bonuses. If you look at Eve the bonuses center around weapons and defenses with the other ships getting bonuses to ewar and what not but Dust did not have the racial parity at the time to even consider that type of implementation. Upon realizing this the requirement for specialized suits was dropped and the totally useless basic frames were born. With no uses they fell into being ignored and became even less likely to get any attention.
Nailed it. In the case of the Amarr Heavy frame, if you followed the EVE model, it would be like +% to Laser Weapon Damage +% to Armor Damage Resistance
That is exactly the bonuses they would receive if you went on the Eve progression.
Meanwhile T2 heavies would receive bonuses such as extra resists across the board, extra ammo, bonuses to Cal weapons (in the case of Amarr), range bonuses, and so on. So basically things that could be used to specialize one of those suits to a role without designating its role.
Note that any bonuses based on skills should be attached to the suit itself based on skill level and not to the skill itself which is a whole other issue on its own.
At the end of the day it all comes back to an absolute lack of content that holds back any type of progression.
o7 All #514InTheWind
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