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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 12:34:00 -
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Never liked calling them 'Dusters' as it is a reference to an otherwise **** game title. Be like calling Capsuleers 'EVErs'. Kinda kills my immersion a bit.
Let's theorycraft a new name for them. Here's my suggestions:
Apostate - (noun) 1.a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
Nephilim - The Nephilim were half-angel, half-human 'Giants' who's rhetoric stems from a number of sources. None more prominent than the Hebrew word for 'fall', thusly meaning 'to cause to fall'. The Nephilim were, according to mythology, giants among men who were outcasted from heaven due to being the offspring of the 'rebel angels' and mankind. Symmachus even goes so far as to describe them as 'The Violent Ones', which is equally fitting as we are -literally- design for nothing more than destruction and that is the basis of the entire game.
If one of these catches on, it'd be fantastic. Of course, I'm not opposed to other suggestions. Just something to call them apart from 'Dusters' or 'Mercenaries' since Dusters derives from the game's title and breaks immersion and Mercenaries is a career choice, not a state of being. Nothing infuriates me more than everyone being called 'Mercenaries' because of the basis of high-sec matches being random NPC corps. Which, Eve devs had already confirmed that high sec missions in Eve were non-canon anyway so why should we assume Dust is any different?
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2016.01.03 12:55:00 -
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Isk should be called dongerdollars.
Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
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Posted - 2016.01.03 12:57:00 -
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I'm fine with finding a different name to refer to us as, but just slapping us with a name that has strong religious implications for no reason other than 'it sounds cool' isn't really my cup of tea. EVE players dont have a fancy name. I mean, capsuleers are called that because they're pioneers inside capsules. Or at least that's what I'm assuming. I may be using pioneer wrong. Not to mention your suggestions aren't something that'd work for everyone. Capsuleer as a term still manages to embody the entire EVE Playerbase because, regardless of what they choose to do, capsuleers is still what all of them are. Calling us apostates when there are still plenty of die hard faction loyal players who see themselves more as soldiers than mercenaries is a slap to their face.
On the other hand, though, I have no clue what I could possibly suggest for an alternative. I don't know any lore to cite potential terms from that, and most terms we'd use nowadays for the kind of people were playing, funnily enough, wouldn't make sense for the kind of people were playing. So many similarities, too many differences, and some of the more 'sensible' terms, like 'gunslinger', are outdated by the setting.
And on this third, invisible hand, I could just be talking entirely out my ass.
Since there's no denying that every single one of us is a clone, and the clones all eventually 'break', or go mad, maybe something to do with sickness, insanity, or violence?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:02:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:I'm fine with finding a different name to refer to us as, but just slapping us with a name that has strong religious implications for no reason other than 'it sounds cool' isn't really my cup of tea. EVE players dont have a fancy name. I mean, capsuleers are called that because they're pioneers inside capsules. Or at least that's what I'm assuming. I may be using pioneer wrong. Not to mention your suggestions aren't something that'd work for everyone. Capsuleer as a term still manages to embody the entire EVE Playerbase because, regardless of what they choose to do, capsuleers is still what all of them are. Calling us apostates when there are still plenty of die hard faction loyal players who see themselves more as soldiers than mercenaries is a slap to their face.
On the other hand, though, I have no clue what I could possibly suggest for an alternative. I don't know any lore to cite potential terms from that, and most terms we'd use nowadays for the kind of people were playing, funnily enough, wouldn't make sense for the kind of people were playing. So many similarities, too many differences, and some of the more 'sensible' terms, like 'gunslinger', are outdated by the setting.
And on this third, invisible hand, I could just be talking entirely out my ass.
Since there's no denying that every single one of us is a clone, and the clones all eventually 'break', or go mad, maybe something to do with sickness, insanity, or violence?
Actually, Capsuleers are quite frequently called Empyreans, especially by the Amarr who embody the most populace and largest single faction in the galaxy.
em-+py-+re-+an /em-êpir-ô+Ön,-îemp+Ö-êr-ô+Ön/ adjective 1. belonging to or deriving from heaven.
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Foo Fighting
Blank Application
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:10:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:10:00 -
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Quote:Actually, Capsuleers are quite frequently called Empyreans, especially by the Amarr who embody the most populace and largest single faction in the galaxy.
em-+py-+re-+an /em-êpir-ô+Ön,-îemp+Ö-êr-ô+Ön/ adjective 1. belonging to or deriving from heaven.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as rude here, but maybe I misunderstood. At we talking about terms that we, the players, use to refer to our in-game characters? Or are we talking about terms we, as our in-game characters, use to refer to each other?
Because if we're talking about what we, the players, refer to our characters as, it doesn't matter one iota what the Amarr say. If we're talking about an in-game term, then can't you just say whatever you want? Different races will call themselves different things and for different reasons. Of course the highly religious faction is going to use religious terms for what are basically immortal beings running their own armada and empires. And if we are talking about actual in-game terms, won't we need to come up with more than just a single, flat term for everyone, since obviously the Amarr has to be special?
But, again, I know next to nothing about the lore, so I'm speaking with nothing to back me up.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:25:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Quote:Actually, Capsuleers are quite frequently called Empyreans, especially by the Amarr who embody the most populace and largest single faction in the galaxy.
em-+py-+re-+an /em-êpir-ô+Ön,-îemp+Ö-êr-ô+Ön/ adjective 1. belonging to or deriving from heaven.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as rude here, but maybe I misunderstood. At we talking about terms that we, the players, use to refer to our in-game characters? Or are we talking about terms we, as our in-game characters, use to refer to each other? Because if we're talking about what we, the players, refer to our characters as, it doesn't matter one iota what the Amarr say. If we're talking about an in-game term, then can't you just say whatever you want? Different races will call themselves different things and for different reasons. Of course the highly religious faction is going to use religious terms for what are basically immortal beings running their own armada and empires. And if we are talking about actual in-game terms, won't we need to come up with more than just a single, flat term for everyone, since obviously the Amarr has to be special? But, again, I know next to nothing about the lore, so I'm speaking with nothing to back me up.
'Empyrean' is a term formally used to describe someone who is a capsuleer both in-game and out-of-game, but is most often used in-game primarily by the Amarr, especially the late Empress Jamyl who frequently referred to them as such even in the game trailers. Even though it is favored by the Amarr because of its religious impact it is often used by other factions as well because of its common use.
And yes, it doesn't matter at all what we, the players, refer to them as because there are no implications for such. Hence why 'Dusters' and 'Mercenaries', though technically wrong, are so commonly used.
In-game, however, simply hand-waving them as 'Dusters' breaks the immersion and referring to them as 'mercenaries' isn't technically correct (as much as some would argue that it is).
'Capsuleers' is a term universally applied both in-game and out-of-game and fits their nature as it does not break immersion (they are in a capsule, after all) and does not incorrectly denote career (as capsuleers can be universally described to anyone that uses a capsule to achieve their goals).
And yes, different factions will call them different things, but we're looking for a universal, lore-friendly, and factually correct term that can be used like that of 'Capsuleer'. Apostate, simply meaning someone who's renounces a religious or political view, is technically correct as ALL factions had at one point (and to my knowledge this has not yet changed) had a negative view of infantry clones, even the more liberal Gallente.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:26:00 -
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Even if the Amarr did create the first cloned soldiers in this manner, which they called Templars if I'm not mislead by the title of the book Templar One, however that seems oddly specific to them as a culture and not really encompassing what we are in New Eden.
Duster personally sounds fine to me for what we are currently. Pointless and non specialist super soldiers who are basically tossed into the sands outside places of real value and told that you're to be paid ridiculous sums for capturing jack ****.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Even if the Amarr did create the first cloned soldiers in this manner, which they called Templars if I'm not mislead by the title of the book Templar One, however that seems oddly specific to them as a culture and not really encompassing what we are in New Eden.
Duster personally sounds fine to me for what we are currently. Pointless and non specialist super soldiers who are basically tossed into the sands outside places of real value and told that you're to be paid ridiculous sums for capturing jack ****.
That's surprising, coming from you, True Adamance. Perhaps delightfully so. Thank you for the different angle on the terminology.
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:29:00 -
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OOH OHH, Here's one!
CCPeons!
And Dust players aren't clones, they're Drones!
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jdom503
world wide killaz
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:38:00 -
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We are called bunnies and have been called that since beta. Never heard the dusters thing.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Even if the Amarr did create the first cloned soldiers in this manner, which they called Templars if I'm not mislead by the title of the book Templar One, however that seems oddly specific to them as a culture and not really encompassing what we are in New Eden.
Duster personally sounds fine to me for what we are currently. Pointless and non specialist super soldiers who are basically tossed into the sands outside places of real value and told that you're to be paid ridiculous sums for capturing jack ****. That's surprising, coming from you, True Adamance. Perhaps delightfully so. Thank you for the different angle on the terminology.
I could understand perhaps trying to offer us a new name if one could encompass what Cloned Soldiers are supposed to be in the lore however CCP has shoe horned us as nothing more than CONCORD's stooges basically incapable of operated freely throughout New Eden. What we are offered us nothing more than a general....
"You are a Super Soldier. But as a super soldier you economically don't make much sense and aren't really appealing to hire considering you could hire 100 men for the cost of one of our conflicts to operate anywhere in New Eden covertly at any time."
However if you were to say that we were Orbital Drop Troopers utilizing inertial dampening or localized teleportation technologies which produced distinct energy trails or coronas of light as we plummet to the earth or towards our space bound battlefields I could understand the term 'Arcs/Arks' or 'Angels' or some other such thing.
To me Duster talks about what kind of roll we fill now. Basically one that is all hype. We're just enforcers people call in when they want something reduced to rubble or in this case Dust. Our corposes decompose rapidly after our deaths and I like to believe that the nanites coat the entire battlefield after deployment with a fine grey layer of ashy Dust which fills the air before another new deployment or in the wind causing us to be known for that phenomena as soldiers who stride out of or under the cover of the Dust.
.... As you say I don't mean to be bitter but CCP really shot themselves in the foot by placing us under the thumb or COCORD and not fleshing out exactly how the cloned soldie economic model even works.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Kail Mako
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2016.01.03 14:33:00 -
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I've always referred to us as either Mercs, or Dust Bunnies. I guess you could call us Clones.
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Sbundo'D
Dead Meta Game
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Posted - 2016.01.03 15:06:00 -
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You should actually play the game before calling us names!!
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Satanic Fister
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.03 15:16:00 -
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Bunnies?
"It's like a porcupine with down syndrome... you know it wants hugs but they don't know the pain they cause..."
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benandjerrys
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.01.03 16:00:00 -
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It's Templar. There's even a Creed for it.
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.03 16:09:00 -
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Mercs?
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benandjerrys
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.01.03 16:16:00 -
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Yea that too Gåæ
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Mad Syringe
Carbon 7 E-R-A
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Posted - 2016.01.03 17:09:00 -
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We are Mercs.
We crumble to Dust.
Most of us are not religious, so DO NOT give us a name that seems to be invented in a stinking Amarrian monastery!
We are Dust Mercs
If anything, call us Immortals, since other than the Podsters, we can not die. AFAIK Podsters die if they get killed outside their Pods (hypothetically, since they can't move outside their captains quarters, much like we can't leave our merc quarters).
I love how mercs sometimes crumble to dust when they die, it's a very nice way of seeing the clones, as a commodity, tht crumbles to dust when depleted.
This whole cycle of dusting and getting reinserted in a new clone, should be part of the lore much more.
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benandjerrys
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.01.03 17:14:00 -
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Eggos have to get a snapshot of their brains while in the pod. Our implants handle that if I remember that correctly.
And please the Amarr hate speech talk again?
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Mad Syringe
Carbon 7 E-R-A
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Posted - 2016.01.03 17:40:00 -
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benandjerrys wrote:And please the Amarr hate speech talk again?
It's not hate (well maybe it is...) but why would matar use an amarrian term to describe this class of soldiers? They would not call their own clone soldiers "Templars" would they?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 17:56:00 -
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Kinda like Orbital Drop Troopers a lot better, honestly. Makes a bit more sense being as we have our own Warbarges and at some point -MUST- break orbit in order to get planetside. Course, that being said, sort of similar to Orbital Drop Shock Troopers (ODST's or 'Helljumpers' from Halo).
Orbit Breakers. Maybe. I dunno. Sort of spitballing atm.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
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Posted - 2016.01.03 17:59:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Kinda like Orbital Drop Troopers a lot better, honestly. Makes a bit more sense being as we have our own Warbarges and at some point -MUST- break orbit in order to get planetside. Course, that being said, sort of similar to Orbital Drop Shock Troopers (ODST's or 'Helljumpers' from Halo).
Orbit Breakers. Maybe. I dunno. Sort of spitballing atm. Maybe something to do with meteors? Since we break atmosphere, the effect the inertial dampener gives us, and we leave behind a 'dust trail' when we die?
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Even if the Amarr did create the first cloned soldiers in this manner, which they called Templars if I'm not mislead by the title of the book Templar One, however that seems oddly specific to them as a culture and not really encompassing what we are in New Eden.
Duster personally sounds fine to me for what we are currently. Pointless and non specialist super soldiers who are basically tossed into the sands outside places of real value and told that you're to be paid ridiculous sums for capturing jack ****. That's surprising, coming from you, True Adamance. Perhaps delightfully so. Thank you for the different angle on the terminology. I could understand perhaps trying to offer us a new name if one could encompass what Cloned Soldiers are supposed to be in the lore however CCP has shoe horned us as nothing more than CONCORD's stooges basically incapable of operated freely throughout New Eden. What we are offered us nothing more than a general.... "You are a Super Soldier. But as a super soldier you economically don't make much sense and aren't really appealing to hire considering you could hire 100 men for the cost of one of our conflicts to operate anywhere in New Eden covertly at any time." However if you were to say that we were Orbital Drop Troopers utilizing inertial dampening or localized teleportation technologies which produced distinct energy trails or coronas of light as we plummet to the earth or towards our space bound battlefields I could understand the term 'Arcs/Arks' or 'Angels' or some other such thing. To me Duster talks about what kind of roll we fill now. Basically one that is all hype. We're just enforcers people call in when they want something reduced to rubble or in this case Dust. Our corposes decompose rapidly after our deaths and I like to believe that the nanites coat the entire battlefield after deployment with a fine grey layer of ashy Dust which fills the air before another new deployment or in the wind causing us to be known for that phenomena as soldiers who stride out of or under the cover of the Dust. .... As you say I don't mean to be bitter but CCP really shot themselves in the foot by placing us under the thumb or COCORD and not fleshing out exactly how the cloned soldie economic model even works. E.G- I Logi a battle and get paid out 300,000 ISK. 1 ISK buys and entire terrestrial family a months worth of standard provisions. 100 ISK and I could get any man anywhere in the cluster with military experience to kill for me. I could get 1000 men with unrestricted access to all of New Eden, any time, any place, covertly. For 100 more ISK per man I could outfit them with military grade technology. With the remaining 100,000 I could secure them transport anywhere, kit them out with vehicles, or other state of the art supporting technology. That's 1000 men able to deploy at a moments notice to any location in New Eden, without altering a competing corporate entity for the cost of one bloody Duster. Heck I can even kill them at the end if I want to deny it ever happened. If such is possible why would I ever bother hiring 16 nobodies when I could hire 16,000.
Also of note:
Unlike in space battles, wherein capsuleer ships have crews of normals, here on the ground, most of the weaponry we use is extremely damaging (if not lethal) based on passive exposure...i.e: the waste heat from a Blaster Assault Rifle is enough to cause severe burns to the unprotected human body...let alone what the heat from a venting Scrambler or Laser Rifle would do...to say nothing of the massive radiation from our dropsuits (and the holes in space-time constantly opened and closed to get us onto the battlefield at something that isn't a CRU) so any battle where us immortals footsloggers are deployed to with our typical dropsuits and beyond military standard weaponry just flat out cannot have any normals as support personnel...unless they are in a sealed system (Such as an MCC or even a particularly heavy MTAC), but I suppose there is nothing (other than CONCORD maybe) stopping a Merc from taking a contract wherin they use standard weaponry/equipment like all the regular militaries use in New Eden, we just don't see those in-game.
Dusters may seem a bit lore breaking, but we do operate on the ground...and when our bodies die, the nanites break them down into a material that looks like dust, so it isn't too bad...little more respectable than Dust Bunnies.
We are Empyreans, but that's hardly different then calling us Immortals, as it refers to both us and Capsuleers...we could look into some slang terms used for cyborgs (Such as Borgs), as we are reliant on augmentations...Augs could also work..but those could refer to larger groups on the overall. But I'd start there for what the Galaxy at Large would refer to use by (as the Amarr kind of still refer to loyalists as Templars from time to time, otherwise it seems to be Empyrean Ground Soldiers, or Immortal footsoldiers etc).
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:15:00 -
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I remember a very similar topic have been made a couple years ago. I remember almost anyone agreed on a certain name, but can't really recall which one.
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Terry Webber
WarRavens Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:17:00 -
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How about legionaires? I know EVE: Legion could be considered cancelled but that name fits our DUST characters the best in my opinion.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:25:00 -
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Freebooters
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:31:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Never liked calling them 'Dusters' as it is a reference to an otherwise **** game title. Be like calling Capsuleers 'EVErs'. Kinda kills my immersion a bit.
Let's theorycraft a new name for them. Here's my suggestions:
Apostate - (noun) 1.a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
Nephilim - The Nephilim were half-angel, half-human 'Giants' who's rhetoric stems from a number of sources. None more prominent than the Hebrew word for 'fall', thusly meaning 'to cause to fall'. The Nephilim were, according to mythology, giants among men who were outcasted from heaven due to being the offspring of the 'rebel angels' and mankind. Symmachus even goes so far as to describe them as 'The Violent Ones', which is equally fitting as we are -literally- design for nothing more than destruction and that is the basis of the entire game.
If one of these catches on, it'd be fantastic. Of course, I'm not opposed to other suggestions. Just something to call them apart from 'Dusters' or 'Mercenaries' since Dusters derives from the game's title and breaks immersion and Mercenaries is a career choice, not a state of being. Nothing infuriates me more than everyone being called 'Mercenaries' because of the basis of high-sec matches being random NPC corps. Which, Eve devs had already confirmed that high sec missions in Eve were non-canon anyway so why should we assume Dust is any different?
The term capsuleer is, as far as im aware, an original term. Perhaps a hybrid of pioneer and capsule, one who pioneers through the universe in a capsule, or some other suggestive meaning. But the word, at least, is original. What you suggested is not only not original, but fairly over used in the gaming industry in the last five years. Kinda cliche, even, and it instantly recalls memories of Diablo 3's hilariously bad storyline as well as the DMC reboot, and the dragon age series with its fall from grace. I would think we should avoid that, and instead look toward the creation of a new word entirely.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2016.01.04 02:05:00 -
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Sorry but "Dust Bunnies" is pretty well set in stone if you look at the whole of New Eden.
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benandjerrys
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2016.01.04 02:26:00 -
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Lest we forget... Jamyl once called us Wayward Soldiers.
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