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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 12:34:00 -
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Never liked calling them 'Dusters' as it is a reference to an otherwise **** game title. Be like calling Capsuleers 'EVErs'. Kinda kills my immersion a bit.
Let's theorycraft a new name for them. Here's my suggestions:
Apostate - (noun) 1.a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
Nephilim - The Nephilim were half-angel, half-human 'Giants' who's rhetoric stems from a number of sources. None more prominent than the Hebrew word for 'fall', thusly meaning 'to cause to fall'. The Nephilim were, according to mythology, giants among men who were outcasted from heaven due to being the offspring of the 'rebel angels' and mankind. Symmachus even goes so far as to describe them as 'The Violent Ones', which is equally fitting as we are -literally- design for nothing more than destruction and that is the basis of the entire game.
If one of these catches on, it'd be fantastic. Of course, I'm not opposed to other suggestions. Just something to call them apart from 'Dusters' or 'Mercenaries' since Dusters derives from the game's title and breaks immersion and Mercenaries is a career choice, not a state of being. Nothing infuriates me more than everyone being called 'Mercenaries' because of the basis of high-sec matches being random NPC corps. Which, Eve devs had already confirmed that high sec missions in Eve were non-canon anyway so why should we assume Dust is any different?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:02:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:I'm fine with finding a different name to refer to us as, but just slapping us with a name that has strong religious implications for no reason other than 'it sounds cool' isn't really my cup of tea. EVE players dont have a fancy name. I mean, capsuleers are called that because they're pioneers inside capsules. Or at least that's what I'm assuming. I may be using pioneer wrong. Not to mention your suggestions aren't something that'd work for everyone. Capsuleer as a term still manages to embody the entire EVE Playerbase because, regardless of what they choose to do, capsuleers is still what all of them are. Calling us apostates when there are still plenty of die hard faction loyal players who see themselves more as soldiers than mercenaries is a slap to their face.
On the other hand, though, I have no clue what I could possibly suggest for an alternative. I don't know any lore to cite potential terms from that, and most terms we'd use nowadays for the kind of people were playing, funnily enough, wouldn't make sense for the kind of people were playing. So many similarities, too many differences, and some of the more 'sensible' terms, like 'gunslinger', are outdated by the setting.
And on this third, invisible hand, I could just be talking entirely out my ass.
Since there's no denying that every single one of us is a clone, and the clones all eventually 'break', or go mad, maybe something to do with sickness, insanity, or violence?
Actually, Capsuleers are quite frequently called Empyreans, especially by the Amarr who embody the most populace and largest single faction in the galaxy.
em-+py-+re-+an /em-êpir-ô+Ön,-îemp+Ö-êr-ô+Ön/ adjective 1. belonging to or deriving from heaven.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:25:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Quote:Actually, Capsuleers are quite frequently called Empyreans, especially by the Amarr who embody the most populace and largest single faction in the galaxy.
em-+py-+re-+an /em-êpir-ô+Ön,-îemp+Ö-êr-ô+Ön/ adjective 1. belonging to or deriving from heaven.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as rude here, but maybe I misunderstood. At we talking about terms that we, the players, use to refer to our in-game characters? Or are we talking about terms we, as our in-game characters, use to refer to each other? Because if we're talking about what we, the players, refer to our characters as, it doesn't matter one iota what the Amarr say. If we're talking about an in-game term, then can't you just say whatever you want? Different races will call themselves different things and for different reasons. Of course the highly religious faction is going to use religious terms for what are basically immortal beings running their own armada and empires. And if we are talking about actual in-game terms, won't we need to come up with more than just a single, flat term for everyone, since obviously the Amarr has to be special? But, again, I know next to nothing about the lore, so I'm speaking with nothing to back me up.
'Empyrean' is a term formally used to describe someone who is a capsuleer both in-game and out-of-game, but is most often used in-game primarily by the Amarr, especially the late Empress Jamyl who frequently referred to them as such even in the game trailers. Even though it is favored by the Amarr because of its religious impact it is often used by other factions as well because of its common use.
And yes, it doesn't matter at all what we, the players, refer to them as because there are no implications for such. Hence why 'Dusters' and 'Mercenaries', though technically wrong, are so commonly used.
In-game, however, simply hand-waving them as 'Dusters' breaks the immersion and referring to them as 'mercenaries' isn't technically correct (as much as some would argue that it is).
'Capsuleers' is a term universally applied both in-game and out-of-game and fits their nature as it does not break immersion (they are in a capsule, after all) and does not incorrectly denote career (as capsuleers can be universally described to anyone that uses a capsule to achieve their goals).
And yes, different factions will call them different things, but we're looking for a universal, lore-friendly, and factually correct term that can be used like that of 'Capsuleer'. Apostate, simply meaning someone who's renounces a religious or political view, is technically correct as ALL factions had at one point (and to my knowledge this has not yet changed) had a negative view of infantry clones, even the more liberal Gallente.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Even if the Amarr did create the first cloned soldiers in this manner, which they called Templars if I'm not mislead by the title of the book Templar One, however that seems oddly specific to them as a culture and not really encompassing what we are in New Eden.
Duster personally sounds fine to me for what we are currently. Pointless and non specialist super soldiers who are basically tossed into the sands outside places of real value and told that you're to be paid ridiculous sums for capturing jack ****.
That's surprising, coming from you, True Adamance. Perhaps delightfully so. Thank you for the different angle on the terminology.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2016.01.03 17:56:00 -
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Kinda like Orbital Drop Troopers a lot better, honestly. Makes a bit more sense being as we have our own Warbarges and at some point -MUST- break orbit in order to get planetside. Course, that being said, sort of similar to Orbital Drop Shock Troopers (ODST's or 'Helljumpers' from Halo).
Orbit Breakers. Maybe. I dunno. Sort of spitballing atm.
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