DUST Search - Scamming in general

HOLY PERFECTION wrote:

Twelve Guage wrote:

HOLY PERFECTION wrote:

I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is.

This entire paragraph is a shining example of your hypocrisy.
Please do continue making a fool out of yourself.

Nice did you pull out the dictionary for hypocrisy. Look, I'm not a hypocrite; however I am a opportunist. I see a opportunity and I take it. I'm saying I want to change the rule for impersonating. But I will be a pain in the asvab for anybody I don't like. So I may not like the rule, but ill use it. Stop derailing my thread please. If you got an opinion that's good. But don't come in here starting trouble, I know you 12 gauge. You do that to a lot of posts.

I didn't need to pull that out of a dictionary I simply quoted what you wrote.
You know holy I to am an opportunities. When the opportunity presents itself
to make someone look like a fool I usually jump right on that. Like right now
let me take the opportunity to tell you that your above post looks suspiciously
like whining. You a big boy so man the F up. This is New eden after all noone
wants to read about a grown man expressing his opinion or feelings in or
about a game where he has already stated that such things have no place
here. I mean boo hoo bro I haven't really done any harm right.


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Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:26:00 - [1] - Quote I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 04:16:00 - [2] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? Look, the best answer I can give you is look out for the names. It is 100% your fault if you give X player your money. You clicked the button, not him. He fooled you, not the other way around. Just pay attention, unless he is causing actual harm ( besides your feelings getting hurt, or your reputation) then its ok. Your friends know you, and they know you are not a scammer. So really, plus you got a blacklist, so if you get scammed. Report it there, then everyone will be cautious. Just the idea of you can scam is ok. But banning methods of scamming is not ok in my mind. This right here with you just post it is not an answer to the questions that I ask. Also please go back and reread my original post I have added some extra thanks to it. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 04:42:00 - [3] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Again, you are not getting banned for scamming someone. You are getting banned for identity theft. DUST trading works like extreme Capitalism(no government involvement), but the moment you impersonate someone CCP gets involved. It's not a scamming issue, it is an identity issue. I guess this to needs to be addressed but I was under the impression that the person that was scamming while impersonating someone else was not in fact banned from the game. I thought that they just got a nice name change to a mercenary xx number here plus having any ill gotten ISK and items trades reversed. Whether or not someone is actually banned is something a CPM or Dev is going to have answer because I honestly have no clue about that. Now to get back to my original/ main question. How does risk vs reward factor into this? I feel that once we start discussing this we will start getting to the source of why said person is possibly banned from the game. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:32:00 - [4] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Ok if its an identity issue, what is at risk? Social Security -no Records -no Bank Card -no Reputation -yes The way I see it, there is no real identity issue. Let me explain that a little more... I mean you have nothing at risk if someones name is close to yours. I'm pretty sure a little hurt reputation is not going to kill you. The Devs already said its ok to scam; this is NEW EDEN. Impersonating someone is a form, and method of scamming. Its your (the players) fault that you didn't read the name correctly. To bad, so sad little Johnny. Its so stupid that you get banned for impersonating a IN GAME CHARACTER with no relations to you at all. Just think about it, what if you have the same name on accident. Rock01 Rock o1 ... oh no hes impersonating me = ban Let me stress again that a person impersonating someone as far as I know is not actually banned from the game but in fact gets a free name change courtesy of CCP . Dust and Eve are supposed to be an immersive role playing games. The risk that you speak of is only taken by the person who is considered the honest trader. So I will ask this again what risk does an impersonator take when doing this? As far as I can see it is little to none. You are more versed then I obviously with this subject and therefore would have the most knowledge on this. So I'm going to ask you directly. What risk do you take by impersonating someone else? I think it is quite obvious that the reward would be greatly in your favor. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:51:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: Let me stress again that a person impersonating someone as far as I know is not actually banned from the game but in fact gets a free name change courtesy of CCP . Not according to official policy. There was a grace period to allow everyone to shift gears, which is probably where the name changes come. But so far as I am aware the practice has been solidly bannable for months. Now we know. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:24:00 - [6] - Quote HOLY PERRCTION wrote: CCP has a game to run, they cant worry about crap like this. Its obvious this game is small. An augment is extremely, " secluded". Its the same people 24/7 posting/complaining. That's why this game isn't getting bigger, CCP has to deal with our crap. Give them a break here, they cannot hear every post on impersonating. And if you are correct, and people are posting on alts they can transfer the money; then proceed to leave. They can donate money to their main corporation. Then, leave get that account banned. Do it all over again, and get rich. Your creating a loop hole anyway. I appreciate the efforts on trying to protect peoples reputation, but frankly, the games dying. CCP cannot afford to waste their time with our problems. I lolz hard when I read this. Was it not just stated that people impersonating people is too much work for CCP to have to deal with which is why people are banned from impersonating other people. Did you read that post at all? I don't think I can take you seriously anymore. It's pretty clear that this topic on scamming is your misguided attempt to you do whatever the f*** you want in the game with as little consequences as possible. I believe everyone is with me when I say welcome to New Eden. CCP's logic for banning someone for impersonating someone is a bit crazy but it's not as crazy as you wanted them to not banned because it some how equals less work for them in your mind. Also I really appreciate you taking the time to really answer all the questions I was asking. I can see that this topic was something that you were very serious about. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: If you wanted an actual answer from CCP, you should've filed a help ticket and they'd have been happy to explain the reasoning behind the rule. Given how your actual purpose isn't to obtain that information but instead form a debate, I must ask why you feel as if players should be allowed to impersonate others. I have pretty much asked him the same thing but his reply is always somewhere along the lines of because scamming is legal, who cares about player rap and only people with no life cares about having their in game rep so F them. Good luck getting a real answer man. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:32:00 - [8] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: New challenge. Impersonate the OP and demonstrate the issues player impersonation causes to a person's reputation. Change upper case 'i' to lower case 'L' 'HOLY PERFECTlON' If you do that ill just report, remember the rule is still in place. I still may be trying to change it; however I`ll still use it to my fullest advantage. So be careful what you post here. Lolz by your own word you have said that it should be perfectly acceptable for someone to impersonate others but at the first sign of someone saying they're going to impersonate you you report them. Again the hypocrisy in this is unbelievable. Don't complain about the system and then use it when its to your benefit no one will take you seriously otherwise. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.14 01:04:00 - [9] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is. This entire paragraph is a shining example of your hypocrisy. Please do continue making a fool out of yourself. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.14 04:50:00 - [10] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is. This entire paragraph is a shining example of your hypocrisy. Please do continue making a fool out of yourself. Nice did you pull out the dictionary for hypocrisy. Look, I'm not a hypocrite; however I am a opportunist. I see a opportunity and I take it. I'm saying I want to change the rule for impersonating. But I will be a pain in the asvab for anybody I don't like. So I may not like the rule, but ill use it. Stop derailing my thread please. If you got an opinion that's good. But don't come in here starting trouble, I know you 12 gauge. You do that to a lot of posts. I didn't need to pull that out of a dictionary I simply quoted what you wrote. You know holy I to am an opportunities. When the opportunity presents itself to make someone look like a fool I usually jump right on that. Like right now let me take the opportunity to tell you that your above post looks suspiciously like whining. You a big boy so man the F up. This is New eden after all noone wants to read about a grown man expressing his opinion or feelings in or about a game where he has already stated that such things have no place here. I mean boo hoo bro I haven't really done any harm right. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player

Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.14 05:21:00 - [11] - Quote Ice Royal Glantix wrote: Ooh. I love a good debate. HOLY, I have a few questions for you, if you are willing to answer. 1. Why do you want the consequences of impersonation to be removed? 2. In your own words, not the dictionary's, what does hypocrisy mean? 3. Why did you title this post Scamming In General if you are talking about impersonation only? I actually thought at one point that this topic was going to be a really awesome things to debate about but at last it seems that only the author's opinion matters. The sad part is these are some very excellent questions but there is no way your going to get a real answer from Holly. In fact I'm going to go a head and tell you the answer he's likely going to give you. For your first question. It pretty much go something like this because scamming legal and impersonating people should be to. As for the second question I'm not entirely sure Holly has the brain capacity to answer that. And for your last question. It may not be super obvious but Holy is a known scammer. I suspect that people have wised up to his bs and now that he is running out of isk he is just wants in easier foolproof way to scam people with as little work as possible. The title of this thread was written that way to draw people in. It works so holly does get ponits for that. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player