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Posted - 2015.12.13 00:26:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:I see why people care so much about people impersonating.....
they aint got no life Same can go for the person impersonating. They go out of their way to create a character and impersonate somone else in order to ruin their reputation, scam, and perform actions that could risk relations of that character with other corps.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 00:35:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Forever ETC wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:I see why people care so much about people impersonating.....
they aint got no life Same can go for the person impersonating. They go out of their way to create a character and impersonate somone else in order to ruin their reputation, scam, and perform actions that could risk relations of that character with other corps. Guys whats the deal with reputation, boo hoo if others think your bad. They are not hurting CCP, or your actual real account. If you care so much about your reputation you shouldn't. You and your friends know your not who people say you are. So why care what some noob sais, right? It matters because it works. Or else why would someone deliberately make an account with similar info of another? Besides it is against the rules to impersonate someone's account.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 01:05:00 -
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What do you mean by "Fake" account? Aren't all accounts created in game real? You'd still get banned for impersonating someone else even if you didn't use that account solely for scamming. If you wanna scam someone go ahead use your main or create an alt, no need to steal identity unless if you want to cause harm to that person.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 01:51:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Summa Militum wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get arrested when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life.
If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned.
So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN.
I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port.
NO #portdust its #STFU The fact that you are even asking this question directly reflects how much of a piece of **** you are in real life. What??? explain your reasoning please or Ill have to report you for use of offensive language. This is hilarious! You are threating to have him banned for 1 word, yet stealing someone's online identity is okay with you?
Bravo sir, the logic is well with you
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Posted - 2015.12.13 02:13:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Forever ETC wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Summa Militum wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get arrested when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life.
If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned.
So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN.
I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port.
NO #portdust its #STFU The fact that you are even asking this question directly reflects how much of a piece of **** you are in real life. What??? explain your reasoning please or Ill have to report you for use of offensive language. This is hilarious! You are threating to have him banned for 1 word, yet stealing someone's online identity is okay with you? Bravo sir, the logic is well with you It is kind of ironic isn't it ha. But I'm sorry but your wrong. He was calling me a mean name ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png) that was not true. Which is in fact against regulation. But my reason makes perfect logical since. If you tell someone to f off, that is physically and mentally troubling. And you can even go as far as suing the person if they threaten your life. Impersonation without physically or hacking the other persons account, shouldn't be bannable. Nice try though. But yes the only real reason I posted the regulations was because I don't like him all that much. What if it hurts my feelings when someone goes around using my name and info calling out other corps to fight, scamming others, and thus potentially getting kicked from a trade channel and Corp. All for something I didn't do... That makes me sad, so I should be able to ban the person who caused all this? Right? I mean my feelings are all hurt because everyone bow thinks I'm a scammed and *******.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 02:35:00 -
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Let me get this straight first, why would YOU want to you someone else's name and information in game?
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Posted - 2015.12.13 02:55:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:this thread is hard to read, y'all should proof read your **** before posting My bad, SwiftKey got a new update and it's been acting wonky. Will keep an eye out for future posts.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 04:17:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:@ETC
Are you asking me why I would want their information? Info as in what comes from their name, like channels they are associated with, corps, persona etc.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 04:25:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all?
Look, the best answer I can give you is look out for the names. It is 100% your fault if you give X player your money. You clicked the button, not him. He fooled you, not the other way around. Just pay attention, unless he is causing actual harm ( besides your feelings getting hurt, or your reputation) then its ok. Your friends know you, and they know you are not a scammer. So really, plus you got a blacklist, so if you get scammed. Report it there, then everyone will be cautious. Just the idea of you can scam is ok. But banning methods of scamming is not ok in my mind. Again, you are not getting banned for scamming someone. You are getting banned for identity theft. DUST trading works like extreme Capitalism(no government involvement), but the moment you impersonate someone CCP gets involved. It's not a scamming issue, it is an identity issue.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 05:59:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:To answer the OP.
Because of the constant flood of trade glitch complaints in the petition system, as well as to curb exploitive behavior not intended by CCP.
Its similar to the reason third party API counterfeiting is now bannable.
The practices create a much bigger headache for GMs. Scamming is allowed, but pulling off a scam in such a way that a GM has to get involved beyond an email saying "sorry, scamming is not against the TOS" is no longer acceptable.
Example, if you were to make a character that mimiced me, and the newbie missed the cues, and you violate the ToS while scamming someone in my name, (something I personally give no f**ks about) and minimal scrutiny happens and I get banned in your stead...
Wrll this starts a chain of events where I get mad, emails are sent, my account gets unbanned and yours gets banned for the TOS violations.
Basically it's you covering your scamming and trying to escape consequences by foisting the consequences on me, both virtual consequences and real ones. And it makes the GMs have to do three or four (hundred) times the work of what would otherwise be a "scamming is not against ToS" stock email.
You're being punished for making CCP employee lives more difficult at the end of the day. I knew, and am well a wear why CCP bans for impersonating. However, in the first place. Why dont GM ignore those tickets, then close them. Boo hoo someone is hurting their reputation. It is not the devs job to keep your reputation in check. Am I wrong? Because it broke the rules, it is there job to resolve these issues no matter how major or minor. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it should go unpunished.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 06:03:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:I DO know your frustration, its happened to me before you know. Its just part of the game am I right; just read carefully. Seriously when it comes down to it its your own fault you get scammed. And that is just that simple, and I know it sounds harsh.
Read Better next time!!!!!! One could continue to scam without having to use someone else's persona. Then you wouldn't get banned. You shouldn't not be complaining about this if you know it was against the ToS. Again you don't get banned for scamming.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 06:14:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Forever ETC wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:To answer the OP.
Because of the constant flood of trade glitch complaints in the petition system, as well as to curb exploitive behavior not intended by CCP.
Its similar to the reason third party API counterfeiting is now bannable.
The practices create a much bigger headache for GMs. Scamming is allowed, but pulling off a scam in such a way that a GM has to get involved beyond an email saying "sorry, scamming is not against the TOS" is no longer acceptable.
Example, if you were to make a character that mimiced me, and the newbie missed the cues, and you violate the ToS while scamming someone in my name, (something I personally give no f**ks about) and minimal scrutiny happens and I get banned in your stead...
Wrll this starts a chain of events where I get mad, emails are sent, my account gets unbanned and yours gets banned for the TOS violations.
Basically it's you covering your scamming and trying to escape consequences by foisting the consequences on me, both virtual consequences and real ones. And it makes the GMs have to do three or four (hundred) times the work of what would otherwise be a "scamming is not against ToS" stock email.
You're being punished for making CCP employee lives more difficult at the end of the day. I knew, and am well a wear why CCP bans for impersonating. However, in the first place. Why dont GM ignore those tickets, then close them. Boo hoo someone is hurting their reputation. It is not the devs job to keep your reputation in check. Am I wrong? Because it broke the rules, it is there job to resolve these issues no matter how major or minor. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it should go unpunished. CCP has a game to run, they cant worry about crap like this. Its obvious this game is small. An augment is extremely, " secluded". Its the same people 24/7 posting/complaining. That's why this game isn't getting bigger, CCP has to deal with our crap. Give them a break here, they cannot hear every post on impersonating. And if you are correct, and people are posting on alts they can transfer the money; then proceed to leave. They can donate money to their main corporation. Then, leave get that account banned. Do it all over again, and get rich. Your creating a loop hole anyway. I appreciate the efforts on trying to protect peoples reputation, but frankly, the games dying. CCP cannot afford to waste their time with our problems. The GM are supposed to handle those issues, it is their job. We aren't wasting their time because that is their sole purpose and have no actual influence in the development of the game. Again, they are Game Moderators, they solve issues and regulate players who break ToS.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 06:32:00 -
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Still trying justify it.... Doesn't matter at this point. Nothing gonna change... if someone is willing to send the ticket, there will be a response, especially if it violates the ToS. I know for sure if some assh*le is trying to impersonate me, he is gonna get the ban hammer.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 06:55:00 -
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You're Welcome... Good Ridance. Since I'm not done here, I'll finish off those negatives you left laying there.
The loss of players is not due to the bans, but to other major issues in the game. If we ever did players due to a legit ban, we are better off without them. The GM will punish anyone who breaks ToS if it is reported. It is their job and will continue to do till the game is dead or are switched position.
If someone sees another player break ToS they have every right to report them. You always seem to think it is the person who is getting scammed who is reporting not the person getting impersonated... You are being banned from impersonating not from scamming. Yes it's on you if you get scammed, but it is not one you when someone uses your name to try to cause sh*t.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 07:07:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Forever ETC wrote:You're Welcome... Good Ridance. Since I'm not done here, I'll finish off those negatives you left laying there.
The loss of players is not due to the bans, but to other major issues in the game. If we ever did players due to a legit ban, we are better off without them. The GM will punish anyone who breaks ToS if it is reported. It is their job and will continue to do till the game is dead or are switched position.
If someone sees another player break ToS they have every right to report them. You always seem to think it is the person who is getting scammed who is reporting not the person getting impersonated... You are being banned from impersonating not from scamming. Yes it's on you if you get scammed, but it is not one you when someone uses your name to try to cause sh*t. you still didn't win K den, congrats on whoever won the trophy. But I didn't know this was competition, next time can you let me know so I can get cheerleaders?
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Posted - 2015.12.13 22:07:00 -
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Quit being an idiot, seriously it is getting anyoning. You are free to scam without the use of someone's name. How many times do I have to repeat the this, you are getting banned from impersonating not scamming. The scenario you keep pointing out is the person who got scammed noticed that you broke ToS and decided to send in a report thus the Game Moderator read the ticket and did his job.
There are plenty of in game dangers that come from someone pretending to be you... Maybe they don't matter outside the game, but in the game they do. If someone wants to report you because you broke the ToS they have every right. It is our job to keep this game from the filth that that will happily break ToS for their own benefit then justify their actions by claiming it doesn't matter or the GMs aren't there to monitor players... If it didn't matter why in the hell in you go to such an extent to do it?
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Posted - 2015.12.13 22:30:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:New challenge. Impersonate the OP and demonstrate the issues player impersonation causes to a person's reputation.
Change upper case 'i' to lower case 'L' 'HOLY PERFECTlON' If you do that ill just report, remember the rule is still in place. I still may be trying to change it; however I`ll still use it to my fullest advantage. So be careful what you post here. Lolz by your own word you have said that it should be perfectly acceptable for someone to impersonate others but at the first sign of someone saying they're going to impersonate you you report them. Again the hypocrisy in this is unbelievable. Don't complain about the system and then use it when its to your benefit. No one will take you seriously otherwise.
I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is. Yes you are being a hypocrite.
Example: Bob: "Stop eating with your mouth open Jimmy!" Bob continues to eat his sh*t sandwich, while Jimmy keeps his mouth shut.
Our Scenerio: Holy Perfection: "Don't ban impersonators!" Holy Perfection continues with post threatening to ban the man of a million alts for potential impersonation.
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Posted - 2015.12.13 22:33:00 -
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Union118 wrote:I dont scam but i support it. Why? Cuz the more people get scammed the sooner CCP will do something about it. No one wants to listen to people crying about something for very long. Next you will see fixTrading514 Eh, I like the idea of being able to scam, it goes well with the Laissez-faire approach CCP takes. But damn... Give is proper trading tools.
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Twelve Guage wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is.
This entire paragraph is a shining example of your hypocrisy. Please do continue making a fool out of yourself.
Nice did you pull out the dictionary for hypocrisy. Look, I'm not a hypocrite; however I am a opportunist. I see a opportunity and I take it. I'm saying I want to change the rule for impersonating. But I will be a pain in the asvab for anybody I don't like. So I may not like the rule, but ill use it. Stop derailing my thread please. If you got an opinion that's good. But don't come in here starting trouble, I know you 12 gauge. You do that to a lot of posts. I didn't need to pull that out of a dictionary I simply quoted what you wrote. You know holy I to am an opportunities. When the opportunity presents itself to make someone look like a fool I usually jump right on that. Like right now let me take the opportunity to tell you that your above post looks suspiciously like whining. You a big boy so man the F up. This is New eden after all noone wants to read about a grown man expressing his opinion or feelings in or about a game where he has already stated that such things have no place here. I mean boo hoo bro I haven't really done any harm right.
Haha, by the gods this is golden!
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