DUST Search - Let's discuss a major issue inherent in PC involvement in Dust 5...

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

benandjerrys wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Devadander wrote:

If you are talking about eve taking planets, and dust affecting that, it already happens to a minor degree. And we are on another platform.

First of all no it doesn't and secondly you have no idea how much of a nuisance we are to EVE players.... its's not even funny sometimes.

Without getting too much into the benefits of either console or PC..... can Dust ever really go anywhere or be a part of the same universe on a console?

.... I struggle to believe it can unless there is a really strong attempt by CCP to bring us to terms with EVE pilots.

First off there was no concrete attempt to do so and the ignorance regarding Dust players pursuing cross content going thru the proper channels is absolutely disgusting. There are a handful of players that even know how to and even less that care to attempt. The risk vs isk gain was always tipped to be almost a non profit organization for EvE characters to even care. Nobody in this community knows how to properly rub elbows with the eggos. That and we are absolute lords of excrement and mostly in the effect to entertain ourselves.

Tl;Dr we suck, they suck, all of us suck.

EVE pilots really aren't all that hard to get in touch with or talk to.... however as you said Dust has never meant enough for them to care and most can simply go about their normal business without ever interacting with a Dust player saving of course those sparse local systems which we are allocated.

Fortunately I'm attached to an active EVE side alliance so meeting capsuleers hasn't been hard (admittedly they're only low sec FW focused) and also the RP community who are happy to engage with you providing you show as much an interesting in their content as yours and you understand where you fit into the lore.

Advantage of being an Amarr RPer I guess.

It's harder for the rest of us to easily find such a connection. Lol

Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.14 02:28:00 - [1] - Quote Devadander wrote: If you are talking about eve taking planets, and dust affecting that, it already happens to a minor degree. And we are on another platform. First of all no it doesn't and secondly you have no idea how much of a nuisance we are to EVE players.... its's not even funny sometimes. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.14 04:02:00 - [2] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: True Adamance wrote: ...you have no idea how much of a nuisance we are to EVE players.... Good. One of the few Pros for PC to me is the notion that I could stab those smarmy MFers. Not the good kind of nuisance.... that have affected the power balance in a meaningful way. We're the kind that just do things and the result is wholly uncontrolled and usually a righteous pain in the ass for everyone who was forced into contact with us. As for stabbing them...... yeah I doubt that a great deal. The closest you'll ever come to that is RP and even then their characters are unapologetic space gods twice as good at anything you could ever be despite having no experience in that field on a matter of principle with a self righteous pretension in many respects that literally hurts to be exposed to. Take it from me... I've seen it ******* all from the good one comprised of an ecclectic mix of a highly stylised, universally loved, and quietly terrifying former mace wielding nun henceforth known as the mother of all Amarr, perpetually angsty teen Fretix Junkie and Former Pit fighting champion, to a freaking genetically engineered masochistic cat girl who refuses to wear anything other than a lab coat. Then back to the insanely irritating to engage Minmatar Apologist Social Justice Warriors who sound more Amarrian in their rhetoric than I do in mine as well the super skilled and ultimately all powerful self proclaimed holders, politicians, and political powerhouses all too conveniently rolled into one perfect being. ..... sometimes I think WTF is wrong with New Eden..... and then I remember that our characters are all barely functioning celebrities half a dozen undiagnosed neuroses for which we self medicate with ha and fully understand. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.15 21:12:00 - [3] - Quote Regarding complaints of hackers impacting a persistent universe and fundamentally altering it could that not be solved by constructing significantly more robust models and reflectors for control and sovereignty on DUST/Legion's end so that shifts in power do not resolve after individual battles and require a more concerted effort to achieve. As for splitting New Eden in two.... I find the idea quite unacceptable as groups on a specific platform might find themselves alienated from and unable to engage with their EVE side alliances due to an arbitrary decision that functionally locks them out of the content they want. Saying they need to find another alliance within the regions they are allowed to fight in is not a good enough solution to that issue. If I recall correctly wasn't CCP considering a product called EVE Universe that combined Valkyrie, Legion, and EVE profiles into a single application that would allow pilots to fight over space, step down onto the battlefields, and also dog fight above them pretty much at will? Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.15 22:02:00 - [4] - Quote Freshbrood Clan Strife wrote: Just make Dust stand alone. It's a stupid gimmick to tie it into Eve anyway. No one really cares. Or, one solution also- just sync weekly, instead of in real time. That way it gives devs/admins some time to review hacker complaints, review battles, and help to reduce hacking by invalidating stats that they've deemed to be shady. What value does Dust 514 have as a game if it is not linked to EVE though? Other more experienced developers can craft more mechanically sound shooter mechanics, other RPGs can tell equally good stories, if you want scope of conflict looks no further than No Man's Sky, Angels Fall First, etc. Other games are trying to create the vision that Dust 514 was however can't because Dust is made specialbeing tied into an existing and wholly persistent universe. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.15 22:38:00 - [5] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: True Adamance wrote: Devadander wrote: If you are talking about eve taking planets, and dust affecting that, it already happens to a minor degree. And we are on another platform. First of all no it doesn't and secondly you have no idea how much of a nuisance we are to EVE players.... its's not even funny sometimes. Without getting too much into the benefits of either console or PC..... can Dust ever really go anywhere or be a part of the same universe on a console? .... I struggle to believe it can unless there is a really strong attempt by CCP to bring us to terms with EVE pilots. First off there was no concrete attempt to do so and the ignorance regarding Dust players pursuing cross content going thru the proper channels is absolutely disgusting. There are a handful of players that even know how to and even less that care to attempt. The risk vs isk gain was always tipped to be almost a non profit organization for EvE characters to even care. Nobody in this community knows how to properly rub elbows with the eggos. That and we are absolute lords of excrement and mostly in the effect to entertain ourselves. Tl;Dr we suck, they suck, all of us suck. EVE pilots really aren't all that hard to get in touch with or talk to.... however as you said Dust has never meant enough for them to care and most can simply go about their normal business without ever interacting with a Dust player saving of course those sparse local systems which we are allocated. Fortunately I'm attached to an active EVE side alliance so meeting capsuleers hasn't been hard (admittedly they're only low sec FW focused) and also the RP community who are happy to engage with you providing you show as much an interesting in their content as yours and you understand where you fit into the lore. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.15 23:26:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: True Adamance wrote: benandjerrys wrote: True Adamance wrote: Devadander wrote: If you are talking about eve taking planets, and dust affecting that, it already happens to a minor degree. And we are on another platform. First of all no it doesn't and secondly you have no idea how much of a nuisance we are to EVE players.... its's not even funny sometimes. Without getting too much into the benefits of either console or PC..... can Dust ever really go anywhere or be a part of the same universe on a console? .... I struggle to believe it can unless there is a really strong attempt by CCP to bring us to terms with EVE pilots. First off there was no concrete attempt to do so and the ignorance regarding Dust players pursuing cross content going thru the proper channels is absolutely disgusting. There are a handful of players that even know how to and even less that care to attempt. The risk vs isk gain was always tipped to be almost a non profit organization for EvE characters to even care. Nobody in this community knows how to properly rub elbows with the eggos. That and we are absolute lords of excrement and mostly in the effect to entertain ourselves. Tl;Dr we suck, they suck, all of us suck. EVE pilots really aren't all that hard to get in touch with or talk to.... however as you said Dust has never meant enough for them to care and most can simply go about their normal business without ever interacting with a Dust player saving of course those sparse local systems which we are allocated. Fortunately I'm attached to an active EVE side alliance so meeting capsuleers hasn't been hard (admittedly they're only low sec FW focused) and also the RP community who are happy to engage with you providing you show as much an interesting in their content as yours and you understand where you fit into the lore. Advantage of being an Amarr RPer I guess. It's harder for the rest of us to easily find such a connection. Hmmm well before that I was in Dead Six who were a part of the Daringly INserting Large Dangerous Objects Alliance.... which if I recall also have Pyre Falcon in it for a while. After that our own alliance, after that PIE Inc, and only this year I've really expanded the groups I know to the EVE RP community. I'll say it for you all..... it's not hard you just have to be willing to put in the effort. However were getting off topic, so lets get back to cheating. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.12.16 01:12:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yes. So far we've had suggestions of how to penalize hackers when they've been found, but finding them out is still somewhat difficult. As an example, while connection spoofing is easy to detect, a cheat like an aimbot simply looks for shapes on your screen and moves your cursor to center on them. That can be far harder to combat because unless you spectate the person directly it can be hard to tell that they're doing it. Also, someone who knows what they're doing can use it in such a way that they don't exhibit the usual calling card of "snapping" as the aimbot forces their character to instantly face the target. Anyone have any ideas on how to better detect that? Pardon my ignorance but are there many aimbots that specifically target the centre of mass so as not to appear as the more obnoxious 'head shot aim-bots' you occasionally get to rate in CS:GO? Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.