Lol, because vehicle user's haven't learned from what Ratt's did when you guy's were "Tooth and Nail" about staying OP.... And if you think SL's are skill less, try hitting vehicles behind rock's sometime, then start talking skill less.

The real skill less individual's are the easy mode myofib's, people that sit there run around a corner, just to jump out into the open with an MD, battle's that otherwise would have been won by a normal player, get's cheated out of what should have been an assured victory, because of that alone. But that's off topic.

As for SL's slowing their targets down? Would be nice, but in later updates would prove useless. Because y'know, people have friend's of friend's, and because of that alone, good thing's get broken.

Lol, because vehicle user's haven't learned from what Ratt's did when you guy's were "Tooth and Nail" about staying OP.... And if you think SL's are skill less, try hitting vehicles behind rock's sometime, then start talking skill less.

The real skill less individual's are the easy mode myofib's, people that sit there run around a corner, just to jump out into the open with an MD, battle's that otherwise would have been won by a normal player, get's cheated out of what should have been an assured victory, because of that alone. But that's off topic.

As for SL's slowing their targets down? Would be nice, but in later updates would prove useless. Because y'know, people have friend's of friend's, and because of that alone, good thing's get broken.

Lol, because vehicle user's haven't learned from what Ratt's did when you guy's were "Tooth and Nail" about staying OP.... And if you think SL's are skill less, try hitting vehicles behind rock's sometime, then start talking skill less.

Wait, so you're saying that Swarms just hit rocks, and there's nothing the Swarmer can do? As in, they cannot apply their skill to the use of the weapon?

Huh, the things you read...



For those who can't read between the lines: being skill less cuts both ways. Not only is it incredibly irritating to (many, not necessarily all) vehicles users that Swarmers barely need to aim, but in situations like Zan mentioned, it's not possible to actually be good at shooting with a Swarm Launcher. Why so many Swarmers don't want to see any kind of change at all to the operation of their gun baffles me, when there'd be some tangible benefits to their play style.

Salutations.
Understandably, everyone is buzzing about them pesky tonks getting away and especially dropships flying out of dodge faster than a jewish man in a bacon factory. So why not make swarm launchers incorporate some EVE stasis tech and slow down tanks for a duration. At least enough time for the next lock on to take effect....Thoughts?

Who might these 'so many swarmers' be?

But please do generalize more, it only helps prove the point more and more that there's an avid base of pilots against people actually trying to make their AV weapons work reasonably well.

Lol, because vehicle user's haven't learned from what Ratt's did when you guy's were "Tooth and Nail" about staying OP.... And if you think SL's are skill less, try hitting vehicles behind rock's sometime, then start talking skill less.

The real skill less individual's are the easy mode myofib's, people that sit there run around a corner, just to jump out into the open with an MD, battle's that otherwise would have been won by a normal player, get's cheated out of what should have been an assured victory, because of that alone. But that's off topic.

As for SL's slowing their targets down? Would be nice, but in later updates would prove useless. Because y'know, people have friend's of friend's, and because of that alone, good thing's get broken.

Like the Marauders concussive shell ability in Starcraft 2? Make the swarm a skill shot dumbfire weapon system and I could get behind this.

I was first an AV dude, then I started piloting pythons so I can talk for both sides.
Swarmers don't realise how 1 of them is a pain in the ass for a python. They may feel useless because the python gets away but actually the python is useless too. When there is permanently a swarm in the middle of the map, the python is gonna spend like 5 minutes to get a single kill and take lots of risks because if any other AV shot hits it, it's over.
2 swarms and the python can't even get in the area, or it needs one hardener on and a shield booster ready to be activated just to get in, shoot once or twice from afar and fly the f*ck out.

If you can't kill a python with a swarm, I'm sorry but git gud. It's only a question of hitting at the right time and not shooting as soon as it's in lock-on range.

This idea is terrible. And btw, if you hit the front of the DS you already slow it down/screw up its trajectory.

It seems, however that the main issue being presented is the lock on system. From what I am hearing, HAV and DS pilots would have no issues with the swarm launcher if it was a skill shot, not a lock on ability. So here is a couple ideas.
1) Swarm launcher users must MAINTAIN the lock during missile flight or the missiles fly off in random directions and don't hit ****. This eliminates the set and forget system. This also eliminates the issue for us swarm users to have to constantly re-lock onto an enemy vehicle. We launch our missiles and keep launching them until we run out of ammo. However. We have to maintain the vehicle in our hit box or else we lose all the missiles that were launched. This makes our potential damage to vehicles much higher, on the grounds of killing them. However, it's a risk vs reward system. If you get killed, or you are forced to move because of enemy fire. Tough ****. The tank got away. This also rewards DS pilots. If the pilot out maneuvers the lock or simply gets out of range of the lock, then the threat effectively disappears for a time.
2) Vehicles get notification when they have been locked on. This will give the drivers a heads up to find cover or start moving.
3) Reduce the clip size of Swarm launchers to two missiles per mag across the board. The vehicle pilots should fear AV infantry, but not a single AV infantry. I anticipate that if all three missiles launches (from one person) were to hit, then a vehicle just doesn't stand a chance and is now nerfed to the ground. Killing a good tank pilot with good gear (i.e.an Expensive and rare investment) should be doable, but not easy. Realistically, it should take a number of players to take out as strong HAV completely. Having two missiles in the chamber will allow one person to at the least, fend off a vehicle from the team. Having multiple av players just means the anti personnel capabilities just went down the toilet, and the battlefield is balanced.

1) Swarm launcher users must MAINTAIN the lock during missile flight or the missiles fly off in random directions and don't hit ****. This eliminates the set and forget system. This also eliminates the issue for us swarm users to have to constantly re-lock onto an enemy vehicle. We launch our missiles and keep launching them until we run out of ammo. However. We have to maintain the vehicle in our hit box or else we lose all the missiles that were launched. This makes our potential damage to vehicles much higher, on the grounds of killing them. However, it's a risk vs reward system. If you get killed, or you are forced to move because of enemy fire. Tough ****. The tank got away. This also rewards DS pilots. If the pilot out maneuvers the lock or simply gets out of range of the lock, then the threat effectively disappears for a time.
2) Vehicles get notification when they have been locked on. This will give the drivers a heads up to find cover or start moving.
3) Reduce the clip size of Swarm launchers to two missiles per mag across the board. The vehicle pilots should fear AV infantry, but not a single AV infantry. I anticipate that if all three missiles launches (from one person) were to hit, then a vehicle just doesn't stand a chance and is now nerfed to the ground. Killing a good tank pilot with good gear (i.e.an Expensive and rare investment) should be doable, but not easy. Realistically, it should take a number of players to take out as strong HAV completely. Having two missiles in the chamber will allow one person to at the least, fend off a vehicle from the team. Having multiple av players just means the anti personnel capabilities just went down the toilet, and the battlefield is balanced.

tanks and dropships are ******* trash yet scrubs get on and say they want nerf vehicles... jesus christ.
hey ******** ass ratatti, if youre reading this you scrub, how about you compare the numbers of proto tanks lost from every player who has them compared to how many kills they get.
compare the numbers of how many pythons are instantly shot down in every PC or pub compared to how many kills they get.
and heres a funny thing
TRY SURVIVING IN A ******* VEHICLE AND SEE IF YOU THINK THEYRE OP, WATCH HOW QUICKLY YOU'RE 60MILLION SP 1.3MIL TANKS GET WREKT EVERY GAME YOU PULL THEM OUT.

Never had that before....