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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.25 07:04:00 -
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That would be something nice for us and easy to add, right? To help prevent people scamming by imitating someone else's name. When you're reading mail, or perhaps when you have the message highlighted in your inbox to prevent pop-up clutter, press square to bring up their player info. This way we can easily check a player's name, PSN, and corp without accidentally bringing up the actual player when we do a search. It makes it much more difficult to **** people over by doing the actually illegal part of Eve universe scamming.
Thoughts?
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tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
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Posted - 2015.11.25 07:07:00 -
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Adding a tool for scam prevention would not be bad thing but I would rather the developers work on adding more ingame modules and weapons and do balancing then add a scam prevention because the best tool is being smart and ask questions to prevent scams.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.25 07:13:00 -
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tritan abbattere wrote:Adding a tool for scam prevention would not be bad thing but I would rather the developers work on adding more ingame modules and weapons and do balancing then add a scam prevention because the best tool is being smart and ask questions to prevent scams.
This is very true, and personally I've never been scammed. But this is for the cases where it's scamming via identity theft, which is entirely different. That's not something you can always account for, and if someone doesn't know the person whose identity is being stolen personally, only knows 'Oh hey, I've heard of this guy/seen him in chat, he's pretty cool' your first thought isn't going to be a game of 20 Questions.
Besides, this seems like such a trivial thing to add that it couldn't possibly take more than an hour or two at most to whip up. It's just taking a feature that already exists (looking up player info via chat or character search) and putting it in an additional place and accessible via a button press. It's not like I'm asking for something like the ability to compare one player's info card to another. That, I imagine, would take quite a bit more time away.
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It fills you with Determination!
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GM Archduke
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.25 12:05:00 -
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Ahoy!
Impersonation scams usually use accounts that mimic everything - the character name, the PSN ID and even the Corporation. However, impersonating another player to pose as established traders, earning the trust of Mercenaries and scamming them using the reputation of another player to do so is a breach of our EULA, section 2.B:
"No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
These cases should be reported, after which we will investigate and take action as appropriate according to the EULA and our Terms of Service.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
394
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Posted - 2015.11.25 13:32:00 -
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Very much aware of that, but I appreciate what you're doing o7.
What I'm asking for, though, is a quality of life change that will allow us to check player info while we're reading a message, or when we have a message highlighted in our inbox, so that we can more easily identify whether or not the person communicating with us is trying to make use of someone else's identity.
Obviously if we try to type in the name we see because it looks suspicious or just to make sure, we may mistake it and find the player info of the person they're imitating. Being able to directly check the person's info from your inbox, without having to worry about typing out the name or trying to coax them into a squad if they're being elusive, will make identifying scammers much easier, making the game less stressful for us players and identity theft much more difficult for scammers, potentially lowering it by quite a bit.
The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be.
It fills you with Determination!
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GM Archduke
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.25 13:41:00 -
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What I'm saying is that in most of these cases the same way as the character name resembles a well known trader, the PSN ID and Corporation resemble the traders PSN ID and Corporation. It wouldn't really make much of a difference to see this while reading a message in my opinion. These impersonation-scammers do go through a lot of trouble to scam people, and are dealt with accordingly when reported.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:09:00 -
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I am fine with what Archduke is explaining, and I don't think any attempt should be made to "run a check" on mail from senders.
Players SHOULD be checked to a degree (for reliability as a player you can consider for joining your matches, for signs of switching Loyalty too much in the Races, for being a heavy "match-leaver" instead of a committed fighter, for blue-on-blue malice history in FW...). And I think that should be presented to us in a dialogue option similar to the "Show Info" option we now have on any character name we see in the game.
AND, I think something like that WILL come, in time. Like Eve-Online seems to have done, it's going to be a culmination of CCP creating a tool after watching players device their own homemade procedure. It's way too early in Dust trading history to get something like that now.
AND, (whew...) I don't think it should be combating "Scamming" as it pertains to the ability of a player to steal from another player or corp through her deviousness and his naive vulnerability. If you're walking down the street, and you fall for one of those "please, Lady, I have 17 kids, 3 with cancer, four who got in a car crash, and 11 who need life-saving botox", without adding up the numbers, you need to lose your money. If you're more socially grounded, you tend not to fall for those scams.
If players are still stumbling all the way into Loyalty Rank -2, and getting fleeced blindly like 5 year olds, the Rank requirement should really be raised to 5 or 6 to give new players more time to understand the ropes,... but apart from that, it means you have not been more social with the players in the game... to give them the chance to warn you of these things.
The idea that the game is a game of social-deception versus social-trust, should be allowed to dangerously exist. 
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.11.25 21:51:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:What I'm saying is that in most of these cases the same way as the character name resembles a well known trader, the PSN ID and Corporation resemble the traders PSN ID and Corporation. It wouldn't really make much of a difference to see this while reading a message in my opinion. These impersonation-scammers do go through a lot of trouble to scam people, and are dealt with accordingly when reported.
I moderate several channels under an Eve alt (Audit Mistress Node-0004). A QoL EVE feature would be that of being able to see player PSNs EVE side. Is there something in your service agreement with Sony that prevents you from implementing that feature eve side?
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.11.26 17:35:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:What I'm saying is that in most of these cases the same way as the character name resembles a well known trader, the PSN ID and Corporation resemble the traders PSN ID and Corporation. It wouldn't really make much of a difference to see this while reading a message in my opinion. These impersonation-scammers do go through a lot of trouble to scam people, and are dealt with accordingly when reported.
Ability to check character age, without an Eve account, would help common player tremendously.
In that case both the normal 'show info' and the suggested link to that from mail interface would do the trick.
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.11.26 17:43:00 -
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Bruh I trade with the same 10 ppl?! I used to trade with others, but this community has lost their souls to the sand box. I have never been scammed, but ALOT of shady mercs have tried! If it don't feel right, don't smell right, or you just get a weird feeling f*ck that guy!
Lag will claim whatever you bought on the battlefield anyway.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Asekpri Vorkna
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.26 23:53:00 -
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Asekpri Vorkna does not understand why no one has yet lobbied for a trade window and that alone. It would solve everything. It works wonders in the Massive Multiplayer Online world. |
No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Corrosive Synergy
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.27 00:32:00 -
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Asekpri Vorkna wrote:Asekpri Vorkna does not understand why no one has yet lobbied for a trade window and that alone. It would solve everything. It works wonders in the Massive Multiplayer Online world.
Many people have, and ever since trading was first introduced. Nothing ever came of it, though, and we know we've only got a very small team working on Dust, so we try to ask for smaller, easily accomplished things that can work us toward a similar goal. One of the reasons I'd like to be able to check player info directly from the mail menu. Very easy to do, or at least I believe it to be, and beneficial for everyone.
The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be.
It fills you with Determination!
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.11.27 02:21:00 -
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Asekpri Vorkna wrote:Asekpri Vorkna does not understand why no one has yet lobbied for a trade window and that alone. It would solve everything. It works wonders in the Massive Multiplayer Online world.
ahem...
It got cold response, mainly because most players consider
- trading to be only a gimmick on the elite
- trade window to be too much dev effort and instead of coding the window, the devs should program either to remove the lag or to give the MTACs and fighter planes.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.11.28 11:35:00 -
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All we really need is the character age attached to the character sheet.
Impersonation accounts are quickly banned meaning they are not going to be of any age at all. This would give a simple way for known players to keep their identity secure by making their character age or start date very well known to the public.
The same could be said of a simple count of matches won on the public character sheet. No player would be able to quickly validate their character by adding thousands of wins to their info.
Boom 2 easy solutions. Personally I prefer the second as it is much more obvious. That info is already in our private character sheet so adding this to the public sheet should be extremely simple.
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DIinkelFritz
The Eternal Noxium Imperium
5
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Posted - 2015.12.01 01:49:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:That would be something nice for us and easy to add, right? To help prevent people scamming by imitating someone else's name. When you're reading mail, or perhaps when you have the message highlighted in your inbox to prevent pop-up clutter, press square to bring up their player info. This way we can easily check a player's name, PSN, and corp without accidentally bringing up the actual player when we do a search. It makes it much more difficult to **** people over by doing the actually illegal part of Eve universe scamming.
Thoughts?
I like the idea. From what I am hearing, it sounds like scammers can replicate or near-replicate all the credentials, but at the very least it's a tool for players to spot the near-replicate scammers and have them reported before and not after the crime. I feel it would also save the DEVs time and resources in the long run by reducing the incentive for scamming (via increased risk) and improving the player's ability to catch the scammers. I would prefer a trade window, but I understand that doing so would take time and I would be happy to be able to at least check up on other players for a trade.
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Axel Giatsu
The1 Dark8 Emperium7
190
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Posted - 2015.12.01 10:57:00 -
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Why don't we just have some sort of AI that you trade both parties trade too and after the AI receives both items hands them out accordlingly. Kind of takes the idea of having a middle man but without using an actual player.
Creator of the Slayer Scout and Slayer Logi
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.12.01 11:42:00 -
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