DUST Search - Please release warlords 1.3

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible.

The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. If you get scammed, it was your fault. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade.

In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based.
You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised.
Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness.

This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL".

Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden.

Well said.

At the very least we should have the same two-way trading interface that EVE Online does.

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Russel Mendoza Klandatu 288	Posted - 2015.11.06 02:15:00 - [1] - Quote It would be a great christmas gift for dust players. Along with quafe bpo trading. Please ccp make it a happy holidays. I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
Doomholder Evzones 9	Posted - 2015.11.06 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote And change the trading system so no one can scam
emm kay Direct Action Resources 413	Posted - 2015.11.06 02:21:00 - [3] - Quote Doomholder wrote: And change the trading system so no one can scam Welcome to new eden. your idea is terrible. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Russel Mendoza Klandatu 288	Posted - 2015.11.06 02:22:00 - [4] - Quote Doomholder wrote: And change the trading system so no one can scam Even dustsanta cant do that. We can only hope and pray when we trade. I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
Doomholder Evzones 9	Posted - 2015.11.06 02:23:00 - [5] - Quote emm kay wrote: Doomholder wrote: And change the trading system so no one can scam Welcome to new eden. your idea is terrible. It's not bad
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 706	Posted - 2015.11.06 02:57:00 - [6] - Quote What's 1.3 having? CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Imps>NS>NF
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 250	Posted - 2015.11.06 03:01:00 - [7] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: What's 1.3 having? I don't know what all it's going to have, but one of the things on the Trello was Simple Crafting. We'll finally be able to put those salvage components to use. Hopefully the stuff we create can be traded. If not, I think it'll end up being just another way to make ISK by selling off whatever's most expensive. It's happened once or twice someone couldn't pay the price, and I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals.
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 03:05:00 - [8] - Quote Doomholder wrote: emm kay wrote: Doomholder wrote: And change the trading system so no one can scam Welcome to new eden. your idea is terrible. It's not bad Right, it's terrible. Like he said. Because beer, that's why.
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.11.06 03:13:00 - [9] - Quote Doomholder wrote: emm kay wrote: Doomholder wrote: And change the trading system so no one can scam Welcome to new eden. your idea is terrible. It's not bad You do understand that this is New Eden, a place where backstabbing, scamming and sabotage are what holds the universe togrther, right? Removing the ability to scam and, in turn, be scammed is removing one of the key aspects and uniqueness of New Eden. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 03:37:00 - [10] - Quote If quafe trading does actaully comes out,I will cry,since my ps3 didn't live long enough to see it. On a side note,I also predicted its death a long time ago in another quafe trading post. And don't give me this "its new eden,scamming is Commonplace" that's just CCP's excuse for not really giving a crap,especially since time is actual money in eve. What's the point of working your a55 of to buy a thing that costs you a whole real life paycheck and then have some lowlife scum bag just scam it away from you? You just lost money,and then you'll really want a safe trade window. People who defend this notion of new Eden's back stabbing bs are either scammers themselves,will be scammers,or are very mentally sick people. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!

JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 04:29:00 - [11] - Quote I can't wait for the Daily missions. I have well over 200+ Allotek Assault Rifles Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.11.06 12:51:00 - [12] - Quote I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible. The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade. In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based. You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised. Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness. This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL". Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
D4GG3R Opus Arcana 2	Posted - 2015.11.06 12:56:00 - [13] - Quote Russel Mendoza wrote: It would be a great christmas gift for dust players. Along with quafe bpo trading. Please ccp make it a happy holidays. You know, I think they'll probably listen to you. "Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix I watch anime for the boobs
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 13:03:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible. The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade. In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based. You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised. Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness. This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL". Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden. Exactly, scamming that is one way blind isn't scamming; It's taking advantage of a poor mechanic in a half baked game. I've said it before, in reality this form of trading is like a back alley drug deal and even then you can bring two guys with guns. Every form of scamming has a means of dealing with the scammer, whether it be suing through the legal system or straight up murdering their a**. They might be all the way in China and it'd be difficult to get to them, but you could. So, for this form of scamming to be legit, it'd mean I should be able to at least find your address and fly to your house. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXKAtpLm4I CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 13:03:00 - [15] - Quote D4GG3R wrote: Russel Mendoza wrote: It would be a great christmas gift for dust players. Along with quafe bpo trading. Please ccp make it a happy holidays. You know, I think they'll probably listen to you. On a scale from 1 to FML how bored are you right now bruh? Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
D4GG3R Opus Arcana 2	Posted - 2015.11.06 13:15:00 - [16] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: D4GG3R wrote: Russel Mendoza wrote: It would be a great christmas gift for dust players. Along with quafe bpo trading. Please ccp make it a happy holidays. You know, I think they'll probably listen to you. On a scale from 1 to FML how bored are you right now bruh? I'm cutting pennies in half with abpair of lock cutters "Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix I watch anime for the boobs
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.11.06 13:17:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible. The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. If you get scammed, it was your fault. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade. In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based. You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised. Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness. This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL". Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden. Well said. At the very least we should have the same two-way trading interface that EVE Online does. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.11.06 13:28:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based. You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised. Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness. Correct. We don't have trading in DUST 514. We have the ability to send things to people; a FedEx-like system. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 19:41:00 - [19] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible. The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. If you get scammed, it was your fault. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade. In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based. You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised. Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness. This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL". Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden. Well said. At the very least we should have the same two-way trading interface that EVE Online does. I'd like to also add that scamming in EVE is not even legit scamming. It is mostly based on poor mechanics. Putting a decimal point in the wrong place on a contract because EVE uses decimals instead of commas? Come on! Putting out a contract to ship something to null sec because of the way the universe is laid out. Really! This isn't scamming so much as simply trolling with the game mechanics. It destroys any chance for genuine scamming. People fall back on the above mentioned mechanics like the noobs they are. You want real scamming? Try manipulating the market as a trader. That takes thought and skill to pull the scam. Real scams go further than that and happen totally in game context with some thought put into it and not based on something apparent. What exists now in EVE is just meta scamming with sad game mechanics. In other words, like bounty hunting and smuggling should be, CCP could design a beefy role and skill set for scamming that is more character based and makes sense within the game world, not at the player level where it just becomes a lazy aside for bored gamers. CCP is just too lazy and too slow to implement proper in game features to both promote game world level scamming as well as prevent scamming otherwise through the use of poor game design mechanics. So, they allow most scamming, not because it is a sandbox game, but simply because they can't police it otherwise. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.


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