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Posted - 2015.11.06 13:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible.
The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade.
In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based.
You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised.
Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness.
This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL".
Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden.
Exactly, scamming that is one way blind isn't scamming; It's taking advantage of a poor mechanic in a half baked game. I've said it before, in reality this form of trading is like a back alley drug deal and even then you can bring two guys with guns.
Every form of scamming has a means of dealing with the scammer, whether it be suing through the legal system or straight up murdering their a**. They might be all the way in China and it'd be difficult to get to them, but you could.
So, for this form of scamming to be legit, it'd mean I should be able to at least find your address and fly to your house.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXKAtpLm4I
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
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Posted - 2015.11.06 19:41:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I fully support the "New Eden" idea, but the current trading system IS terrible.
The idea in EVE behind "Welcome to New Eden" is that you can always avoid the scam, you can always look at the fine print and see that something is wrong and back off. If you get scammed, it was your fault. That requires a system where both parties can agree before hand about the details of the trade.
In DUST it's completely, 100%, trust based.
You can only hope that the person on the other end will honor their deal and give you what was promised.
Under the rules of common sense in New Eden, there would be no trading because you can't trust anyone. Trading in DUST is completely unfair and doesn't even follow EVE's standards of harshness.
This isn't "Welcome to New Eden", this is "Welcome to LOLOLOLOLOLOL".
Before you say "Welcome to New Eden", know the rules of New Eden. Well said. At the very least we should have the same two-way trading interface that EVE Online does.
I'd like to also add that scamming in EVE is not even legit scamming. It is mostly based on poor mechanics.
Putting a decimal point in the wrong place on a contract because EVE uses decimals instead of commas? Come on!
Putting out a contract to ship something to null sec because of the way the universe is laid out. Really!
This isn't scamming so much as simply trolling with the game mechanics. It destroys any chance for genuine scamming. People fall back on the above mentioned mechanics like the noobs they are. You want real scamming? Try manipulating the market as a trader. That takes thought and skill to pull the scam.
Real scams go further than that and happen totally in game context with some thought put into it and not based on something apparent. What exists now in EVE is just meta scamming with sad game mechanics.
In other words, like bounty hunting and smuggling should be, CCP could design a beefy role and skill set for scamming that is more character based and makes sense within the game world, not at the player level where it just becomes a lazy aside for bored gamers.
CCP is just too lazy and too slow to implement proper in game features to both promote game world level scamming as well as prevent scamming otherwise through the use of poor game design mechanics. So, they allow most scamming, not because it is a sandbox game, but simply because they can't police it otherwise.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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