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Meisterjager Jagermeister
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:20:00 -
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Ur kilin d gaym!
This is a topic I've been meaning to post for a while. With other threads of the same theme being posted it is time I add mine in hopes of helping the cause.
If you are in a squad, running full scroto in a pub, and find your team pit against an inferior force of noobs....
DON'T IMMEDIATELY STOMP THEM BACK TO THE REDLINE AND FARM KILLS!!!!!
You're not proving anything and you are only killing the game. They will leave match out of disgust and you will leave out of boredom. You will get LESS kills by using your best gear. New players will quit the game.
If you want a real challange, want to help this struggling game retain those precious few new players, switch out your scroto gear for starter fits, let them out of the redline and give the noobs a fighting chance. If you can't still do well against noobs on a level playing field then you're not as pro as you think.
The way it should be is that we all enter a pub match using low to mid tier gear. If the teams are evenly matched and the fighting fierce then it will naturally escalate to proto tier play. If one side is outmatched they will be less likely to leave battle as there is still the impression of a fair fight. New players are more likely to continue playing long term when their chances don't seem so hopeless.
PC corps have been playing by an unwritten rule that you don't flip the last district of another corp. CCP did not enforce this rule, it was the players who took it up in order to improve planetary conquest as a game mode.
In that same spirit, you have the ability to affect the prosperity of this game in a positive way. You are not a dev, you can't implement balance or add new content to improve this game. But you can take responsibility for your own behavior and choose a play style that will do more good than harm.
Please, don't be a scroto scrub in pubs.
AKA - StarVenger- Horizons' Edge
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bane sieg
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:25:00 -
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Fine.... I won't run proto in pubs anymore... just officer.
Signed, your lord and savior,
The illustrious mr. bane sieg
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Hundred x Eyes
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:25:00 -
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So in order for this game to thrive.
Let's all wear militia min scout suits no mods of any kind with a militia AR. For the next two years.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:27:00 -
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bane sieg wrote:Fine.... I won't run proto in pubs anymore... just officer. U r evl
AKA - StarVenger- Horizons' Edge
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bane sieg
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:33:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:bane sieg wrote:Fine.... I won't run proto in pubs anymore... just officer. U r evl Shut up I know it.
Signed, your lord and savior,
The illustrious mr. bane sieg
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sizwe sizzle
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K Damage LLC
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:35:00 -
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I still kill them in mlt so must I do then
I got a cloud empire and I'm a king
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:42:00 -
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sizwe sizzle wrote:I still kill them in mlt so must I do then Continue to kill them while saving mucho iskeros.
I gave you your first like! You owe me 1mil isk now.
AKA - StarVenger- Horizons' Edge
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:00:00 -
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If you think about this, NPE right now has never been better before. The only time it has ever been better was on the release date, because everyone was a new player and on equal ground.
Under contract by the Amarr Empire
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:13:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:If you think about this, NPE right now has never been better before. The only time it has ever been better was on the release date, because everyone was a new player and on equal ground.
NPE might be better than it ever has been but it is still crap.
NPE and CPE (current player experience) I feel is in a very bad place because of the actions of some. I play a lot of matches where half my team or half the enemy team have double digit deaths while barely being able to pull off getting 3 kills. I even see a lot of people who can't even get the 150 WPs needed to actually earn SP for that match because they are stomped before they have the opportunity to actually earn WPs.
I can only imagine the frustration some people would get knowing they just played a match where they were brutally stomped but was rewarded no SP to invest in new skills/skill levels to help them combat that same stomp in the future. |
lamo guys
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:33:00 -
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So does anyone really know how Scotty works for say? Ok, I'm officer cadet with right at 16 mill sp. I don't know my k/d right this second but it sucks. I probably have put close to 60 bucks into the game for aur. So someone tell me how it is really figured. Its probably just a ramdom merc generator, because is see anyone from recruit all the way to captain and higher. Some battles are different depending on peoples playing habits and times.
Don't blink it will be over quick
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:41:00 -
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I can use BPO's and have the same effect, what do I do then? Should I play with one hand or keep one eye closed to give the other team the advantage?
Another "stop shooting me, it hurts!" thread. I don't whine like a child on the forums when my team gets redlined and people are making trips in there to throw grenades. Man up :/
The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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XxBlazikenxX
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:11:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:If you think about this, NPE right now has never been better before. The only time it has ever been better was on the release date, because everyone was a new player and on equal ground. NPE might be better than it ever has been but it is still crap. NPE and CPE (current player experience) I feel is in a very bad place because of the actions of some. I play a lot of matches where half my team or half the enemy team have double digit deaths while barely being able to pull off getting 3 kills. I even see a lot of people who can't even get the 150 WPs needed to actually earn SP for that match because they are stomped before they have the opportunity to actually earn WPs. I can only imagine the frustration some people would get knowing they just played a match where they were brutally stomped but was rewarded no SP to invest in new skills/skill levels to help them combat that same stomp in the future. I never said the npe was good as of now. It is horrible, but not as bad as before.
Under contract by the Amarr Empire
Amarr Commando Forever
Ancient Exiles. Member
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Worthless Target
Extra Padding
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:45:00 -
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Everything is working as intended. They're not supposed to win like you think they do. They win when they supply protos and higher an ample amount ok kills. They are only padding for your KDRS after all.
Embrace the stomp
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy RUST415
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:09:00 -
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Lol watch all the people who stomp in proto and officer wonder "Why the hell does everyone keep leaving" =ƒÿü
Im just a glorified blueberry
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:24:00 -
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Cant just blame the people at the top of the board for everything. They did their job in killing the enemy and taking the points.
*Bankshot at the arc for 3 up 35 in the forth quarter*
Maybe the other team shouldn't of gotten redlined. I always hear skill > gear right? Why doesn't the other team use that skill stuff?
*throws 63 yard TD pass up 27-3 in the forth quarter*
'Cause i have isk and I'm burning it because this game is slowly dying. Am I speeding up that death with my actions? Probably.
*Bunts to advance the runners up 19-2 in the 8th inning*
BUT I'm doing me. You do you. Im not responsible for your happiness. I'm riding this train till the end in the way most entertaining to me.
*uses another attacker after the opponent red card*
Because the chatter is right. Some of us Dont Even Care.
*Drops Major Lazor in the enemy redline*
Go play Defiance or something.
Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
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Ice Royal Glantix
Horizons' Edge
290
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:33:00 -
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Honestly, have you ever been in one such squad?
Most squads of this nature are never really trying. Typically the squad is composed of a collection of friends who are casually strolling around and killing people as they talk about the sports, anime, or their real life problems.
The only time a proto squad really applies themselves and goes all out is when there is a similar squad (or multiple) on the opposing team.
And before you tell us to stop running proto, we are not going to. There is no reason to run lesser gear if one has the ISK and/or skill to profitably run the best gear possible.
Yes, new player experience needs to be addressed.
No, this is not the way to fix it.
Sincerely, Glantix / Ice
"Solitude is not a burden; it is a gift, for independence allows us to realize our own potential."
Glantix / Ice
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:35:00 -
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lamo guys wrote:So does anyone really know how Scotty works for say? Ok, I'm officer cadet with right at 16 mill sp. I don't know my k/d right this second but it sucks. I probably have put close to 60 bucks into the game for aur. So someone tell me how it is really figured. Its probably just a ramdom merc generator, because is see anyone from recruit all the way to captain and higher. Some battles are different depending on peoples playing habits and times. The ranks you are seeing in battle (i.e. Officer Cadet) are called "Loyalty Ranks." These are largely determined by the amount of AUR a given player has purchased and spent; other factors play into to Loyalty Rank, but AUR accounts for ~90% of it. These ranks are not a measure of character progression.
As far as matchmaking goes, players are assigned a performance-driven metric called "Mu". I don't recall what goes into calculating Mu offhand. For simplicity's sake, let's assume it is Win/Loss Ratio, KDR, WP/Sec over the past dozen or so matches. Matchmaking tries to group High Mu squads and players with other High Mu squads and players and does the same with Low Mu players. Given sufficient headcounts, there are effectively two running queues at any given time, the High Mu Queue and the Low Mu Queue. An merc may migrate between the two queues from one match to the next; when he performs very well in the Low Mu queue, his Mu Ranking goes up which lands him in the High Mu queue. Getting wrecked in the High Mu queue deflates his Mu Ranking, when sends him back into the Low Mu queue.
As with all things, there are cheaters. High Mu players can theoretically access the Low Mu queue if they are ferried in by a Low Mu squadmate. I'm not clear on the specifics as I've not done it myself.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.11.05 22:42:00 -
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NPE is only relevant when a game is not on its deathbed, choking on its own bile.
If anything, NPE needs to be made worse to hasten the demise. End of life care does not need to involve allowing the anti-nascent patient experience futile and expensive life prolonging medications.
Minotaur Master Race
Violently penetrating you since ca 84 BCE. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.11.05 23:56:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Cant just blame the people at the top of the board for everything. They did their job in killing the enemy and taking the points.
*Bankshot at the arc for 3 up 35 in the forth quarter*
Maybe the other team shouldn't of gotten redlined. I always hear skill > gear right? Why doesn't the other team use that skill stuff?
*throws 63 yard TD pass up 27-3 in the forth quarter*
'Cause i have isk and I'm burning it because this game is slowly dying. Am I speeding up that death with my actions? Probably.
*Bunts to advance the runners up 19-2 in the 8th inning*
BUT I'm doing me. You do you. Im not responsible for your happiness. I'm riding this train till the end in the way most entertaining to me.
*uses another attacker after the opponent red card*
Because the chatter is right. Some of us Dont Even Care.
*Drops Major Lazor in the enemy redline*
Go play Defiance or something.
Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams.
I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players. |
Dried ShadowBeaver
Nos Nothi
246
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:00:00 -
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Hundred x Eyes wrote:So in order for this game to thrive.
Let's all wear militia min scout suits no mods of any kind with a militia AR. For the next two years.
Is my solution. Min Scout is OP though.
Touch my beaver tail.
Go on.
Touch it.
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Hylian11
Opus Arcana
570
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:06:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Some of us Dont Even Care.. We are in the business of not giving a **** people, we don't care. I shoot everyone equally, if i could care enough to take any match serious. Who cares if I go negative? The jelly bean buttmunches that have the honor of a card shark? Psh, **** em!
I truly do not give a fvck.
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
1
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:07:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:I can use BPO's and have the same effect, what do I do then? Should I play with one hand or keep one eye closed to give the other team the advantage?
Another "stop shooting me, it hurts!" thread. I don't whine like a child on the forums when my team gets redlined and people are making trips in there to throw grenades. Man up :/
I can't understand how illogical you are. If you go around stomping in Standard and Advanced Gear then that is fine. Those of us who are pushing for change are doing this to try to level the playing field, we are not doing this because we want to prevent people from being stomped.
Stomping is going to occur because some people are more skilled than others. I was very successful at stomping people in my APEX suit using my 'Quafe' Assault Rifle but my ability to do that did not in my mind give me justification to use better gear against people who simply couldn't handle it.
Pull your head out of your @$$ and wake up to how absolutely pathetic you are being. |
Mex-0
Corrosive Synergy
927
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:46:00 -
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bane sieg wrote:Fine.... I won't run proto in pubs anymore... just officer.
^Mindset of 90% of the playerbase
Minmatar at heart
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D4GG3R
Opus Arcana
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:57:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Cant just blame the people at the top of the board for everything. They did their job in killing the enemy and taking the points.
*Bankshot at the arc for 3 up 35 in the forth quarter*
Maybe the other team shouldn't of gotten redlined. I always hear skill > gear right? Why doesn't the other team use that skill stuff?
*throws 63 yard TD pass up 27-3 in the forth quarter*
'Cause i have isk and I'm burning it because this game is slowly dying. Am I speeding up that death with my actions? Probably.
*Bunts to advance the runners up 19-2 in the 8th inning*
BUT I'm doing me. You do you. Im not responsible for your happiness. I'm riding this train till the end in the way most entertaining to me.
*uses another attacker after the opponent red card*
Because the chatter is right. Some of us Dont Even Care.
*Drops Major Lazor in the enemy redline*
Go play Defiance or something. Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams. I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players. Yes and somehow there are still professional sports teams that suck EVERY year.
"Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs."
-Nega Matix
I watch anime for the boobs
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
1
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Posted - 2015.11.06 01:05:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:
Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams.
I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players.
But some teams can spend more money then other teams. If salary cap is an issue then they'll use team location to pull in better players. They use what they have to their advantage.
Yeah Pro teams don't play little league teams but they are playing the same game with the same rules as the other team. Just because the other team can't score doesn't mean i should switch to a less effective defense. Carmelo don't give no fucks about a backup small forward. He going for 40. Zlatan dont care that your trying a new backline. **** yo centerbacks. Randy Johnson doesn't even know who you are. Fastball alll got damn day.
**** YO COUCH *****
But im just Kyle Lowrey trying to be Tony Parker. Meh.
Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
1
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Posted - 2015.11.06 01:45:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams.
I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players.
But some teams can spend more money then other teams. If salary cap is an issue then they'll use team location to pull in better players. They use what they have to their advantage. Yeah Pro teams don't play little league teams but they are playing the same game with the same rules as the other team. Just because the other team can't score doesn't mean i should switch to a less effective defense. Carmelo don't give no fucks about a backup small forward. He going for 40. Zlatan dont care that your trying a new backline. **** yo centerbacks. Randy Johnson doesn't even know who you are. Fastball alll got damn day. **** YO COUCH ***** But im just Kyle Lowrey trying to be Tony Parker. Meh.
Have you ever noticed the difference between how Peewee Football, College Football, and the NFL play their games?
The concept behind what they do is the same but the rules are different in each game. You notice how in College Football the play clock stops every time they make a first down but in the NFL the clock continues? In Peewee Football 'forward progression' can stop the play without anyone every being tackled. Oh and lets not forget that in Flag Football a player will actually get in trouble for tackling another player (I know this from experience).
Why the **** am I explaining sports to you? This **** is getting ridiculous. |
Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
1
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Posted - 2015.11.06 01:49:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams.
I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players.
But some teams can spend more money then other teams. If salary cap is an issue then they'll use team location to pull in better players. They use what they have to their advantage. Yeah Pro teams don't play little league teams but they are playing the same game with the same rules as the other team. Just because the other team can't score doesn't mean i should switch to a less effective defense. Carmelo don't give no fucks about a backup small forward. He going for 40. Zlatan dont care that your trying a new backline. **** yo centerbacks. Randy Johnson doesn't even know who you are. Fastball alll got damn day. **** YO COUCH ***** But im just Kyle Lowrey trying to be Tony Parker. Meh. Have you ever noticed the difference between how Peewee Football, College Football, and the NFL play their games? The concept behind what they do is the same but the rules are different in each game. You notice how in College Football the play clock stops every time they make a first down but in the NFL the clock continues? In Peewee Football 'forward progression' can stop the play without anyone every being tackled. Oh and lets not forget that in Flag Football a player will actually get in trouble for tackling another player (I know this from experience). Why the **** am I explaining sports to you? This **** is getting ridiculous.
I meant that professional teams are playing other professional teams. Just that things are different for each team and stuff. They play to thr best of their ability and whatnot.
Join Opus
Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.11.06 02:25:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams.
I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players.
But some teams can spend more money then other teams. If salary cap is an issue then they'll use team location to pull in better players. They use what they have to their advantage. Yeah Pro teams don't play little league teams but they are playing the same game with the same rules as the other team. Just because the other team can't score doesn't mean i should switch to a less effective defense. Carmelo don't give no fucks about a backup small forward. He going for 40. Zlatan dont care that your trying a new backline. **** yo centerbacks. Randy Johnson doesn't even know who you are. Fastball alll got damn day. **** YO COUCH ***** But im just Kyle Lowrey trying to be Tony Parker. Meh. Have you ever noticed the difference between how Peewee Football, College Football, and the NFL play their games? The concept behind what they do is the same but the rules are different in each game. You notice how in College Football the play clock stops every time they make a first down but in the NFL the clock continues? In Peewee Football 'forward progression' can stop the play without anyone every being tackled. Oh and lets not forget that in Flag Football a player will actually get in trouble for tackling another player (I know this from experience). Why the **** am I explaining sports to you? This **** is getting ridiculous. I meant that professional teams are playing other professional teams. Just that things are different for each team and stuff. They play to thr best of their ability and whatnot. Join Opus
True, but in this game we have veterans with self-esteem issues who choose to squad with low MU players so that they can go stomp newberries in hopes that in doing so they will magically feel better about whatever inadequacies they have.
Back when I was in College I participated in Intermural Sports and the school athletes were barred from being able to participate in Intermural Sports because everyone knew that would be ****** up if they did.
Why is this type of ******** accepted here? (This question right here is more directed towards CCP). |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 02:26:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Ur kilin d gaym!
This is a topic I've been meaning to post for a while. With other threads of the same theme being posted it is time I add mine in hopes of helping the cause.
If you are in a squad, running full scroto in a pub, and find your team pit against an inferior force of noobs....
DON'T IMMEDIATELY STOMP THEM BACK TO THE REDLINE AND FARM KILLS!!!!!
You're not proving anything and you are only killing the game. They will leave match out of disgust and you will leave out of boredom. You will get LESS kills by using your best gear. New players will quit the game.
If you want a real challange, want to help this struggling game retain those precious few new players, switch out your scroto gear for starter fits, let them out of the redline and give the noobs a fighting chance. If you can't still do well against noobs on a level playing field then you're not as pro as you think.
The way it should be is that we all enter a pub match using low to mid tier gear. If the teams are evenly matched and the fighting fierce then it will naturally escalate to proto tier play. If one side is outmatched they will be less likely to leave battle as there is still the impression of a fair fight. New players are more likely to continue playing long term when their chances don't seem so hopeless.
PC corps have been playing by an unwritten rule that you don't flip the last district of another corp. CCP did not enforce this rule, it was the players who took it up in order to improve planetary conquest as a game mode.
In that same spirit, you have the ability to affect the prosperity of this game in a positive way. You are not a dev, you can't implement balance or add new content to improve this game. But you can take responsibility for your own behavior and choose a play style that will do more good than harm.
Please, don't be a scroto scrub in pubs, give a noob a chance.
Read some of rhe older darken posts. This isnt new
Crush them
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
2
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Posted - 2015.11.06 02:56:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
Using sports analogies is not a wise decision because I am just going to remind you that in the real world professional athletes do not compete against Little League teams.
I am also going to remind you that in professional baseball athletes are prohibited from using metal bats because it would lead to too many homeruns from the players.
But some teams can spend more money then other teams. If salary cap is an issue then they'll use team location to pull in better players. They use what they have to their advantage. Yeah Pro teams don't play little league teams but they are playing the same game with the same rules as the other team. Just because the other team can't score doesn't mean i should switch to a less effective defense. Carmelo don't give no fucks about a backup small forward. He going for 40. Zlatan dont care that your trying a new backline. **** yo centerbacks. Randy Johnson doesn't even know who you are. Fastball alll got damn day. **** YO COUCH ***** But im just Kyle Lowrey trying to be Tony Parker. Meh. Have you ever noticed the difference between how Peewee Football, College Football, and the NFL play their games? The concept behind what they do is the same but the rules are different in each game. You notice how in College Football the play clock stops every time they make a first down but in the NFL the clock continues? In Peewee Football 'forward progression' can stop the play without anyone every being tackled. Oh and lets not forget that in Flag Football a player will actually get in trouble for tackling another player (I know this from experience). Why the **** am I explaining sports to you? This **** is getting ridiculous. I meant that professional teams are playing other professional teams. Just that things are different for each team and stuff. They play to thr best of their ability and whatnot. Join Opus True, but in this game we have veterans with self-esteem issues who choose to squad with low MU players so that they can go stomp newberries in hopes that in doing so they will magically feel better about whatever inadequacies they have. Back when I was in College I participated in Intermural Sports and the school athletes were barred from being able to participate in Intermural Sports because everyone knew that would be ****** up if they did. Why is this type of ******** accepted here? (This question right here is more directed towards CCP).
We also have vets who roll solo to show these scum who thefuck remembers. I love smashing a team solo
Crush them
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