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Vrain Matari wrote:

Nice work Blaziken, lots to think about.

For reference, i run aScR/Scr + ScP religiously on a 8 million sp Amaar scout alt to keep myself familiar with how the ScR is really performing so no Amarr Commando experience, unfortunately.

1. Do you like, dislike, or like some parts and dislike other parts of the proposal? Why?
Like just about everything, particularly how you've changed the flavour of the weapons with suit bonuses. On the Assault the weapons becomes a dynamic low refraction time finesse weapon for those who can manage heat, on the 'mando the weapons become raw damage machines that the suits can treat rough and push beyond their normal dps, sustained fire and damage per clip.

It's hard to quantify what the Assault changes will do, but prolly safe to say the ScR/Assault combo will definitely perform well in the hand of a skilled slayer.

The global Commando fitting buff makes sense, isn't OP and fits the role perfectly.

Regarding the Breach Laser, great idea, would like to see it in-game but it's going to be a powerful AI ohk weapon. For that reason i believe that the weapons should not be able to hold a charge.

2. Do you think any changes could be made to the proposal? If so, what changes?

Breach Laser should be incapable of holding a charge.

AScR does not need any help. I'm surprised how well it does on my underskilled scout, tbh.

The need for a ScR buff is debatable, imo - it's not made for wading into multiple enemies, but if you pick your fights and manage heat it seem to still be an effective 1v1 weapon on the scout suit.

3. Are you skilled into the Amarr Commando?

No.

4. Do you regularly play as an Amarr Commando?

No.

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Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:30:00 - [31] - Quote Nice work Blaziken, lots to think about. For reference, i run aScR/Scr + ScP religiously on a 8 million sp Amaar scout alt to keep myself familiar with how the ScR is really performing so no Amarr Commando experience, unfortunately. 1. Do you like, dislike, or like some parts and dislike other parts of the proposal? Why? Like just about everything, particularly how you've changed the flavour of the weapons with suit bonuses. On the Assault the weapons becomes a dynamic low refraction time finesse weapon for those who can manage heat, on the 'mando the weapons become raw damage machines that the suits can treat rough and push beyond their normal dps, sustained fire and damage per clip. It's hard to quantify what the Assault changes will do, but prolly safe to say the ScR/Assault combo will definitely perform well in the hand of a skilled slayer. The global Commando fitting buff makes sense, isn't OP and fits the role perfectly. Regarding the Breach Laser, great idea, would like to see it in-game but it's going to be a powerful AI ohk weapon. For that reason i believe that the weapons should not be able to hold a charge. 2. Do you think any changes could be made to the proposal? If so, what changes? Breach Laser should be incapable of holding a charge. AScR does not need any help. I'm surprised how well it does on my underskilled scout, tbh. The need for a ScR buff is debatable, imo - it's not made for wading into multiple enemies, but if you pick your fights and manage heat it seem to still be an effective 1v1 weapon on the scout suit. 3. Are you skilled into the Amarr Commando? No. 4. Do you regularly play as an Amarr Commando? No. PSN: RationalSpark
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:32:00 - [32] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Nice work Blaziken, lots to think about. For reference, i run aScR/Scr + ScP religiously on a 8 million sp Amaar scout alt to keep myself familiar with how the ScR is really performing so no Amarr Commando experience, unfortunately. 1. Do you like, dislike, or like some parts and dislike other parts of the proposal? Why? Like just about everything, particularly how you've changed the flavour of the weapons with suit bonuses. On the Assault the weapons becomes a dynamic low refraction time finesse weapon for those who can manage heat, on the 'mando the weapons become raw damage machines that the suits can treat rough and push beyond their normal dps, sustained fire and damage per clip. It's hard to quantify what the Assault changes will do, but prolly safe to say the ScR/Assault combo will definitely perform well in the hand of a skilled slayer. The global Commando fitting buff makes sense, isn't OP and fits the role perfectly. Regarding the Breach Laser, great idea, would like to see it in-game but it's going to be a powerful AI ohk weapon. For that reason i believe that the weapons should not be able to hold a charge. 2. Do you think any changes could be made to the proposal? If so, what changes? Breach Laser should be incapable of holding a charge. AScR does not need any help. I'm surprised how well it does on my underskilled scout, tbh. The need for a ScR buff is debatable, imo - it's not made for wading into multiple enemies, but if you pick your fights and manage heat it seem to still be an effective 1v1 weapon on the scout suit. 3. Are you skilled into the Amarr Commando? No. 4. Do you regularly play as an Amarr Commando? No. My idea for the Scrambler Rifle buff came from a lot of people complaining about how it was only viable on two suits. So I tried to compensate for that. Oh, and the Breach Laser Rifle isn't able to hold charges, can you tell me where you read that so I can fix that part? Thanks for the feedback! Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:33:00 - [33] - Quote Also, I will see about the Ascr and change my proposal accordingly. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:43:00 - [34] - Quote @ Blaziken: Good news about the Breach Laser charge, i brought it up because i wasn't 100% sure from reading your description if it was a charge holding weapon. Re: the relative strength of the ScR, all i can say is that i'm honestly surprised how my well my 8 million sp AmScout alt does with the weapon compared to my 90 million sp Minnie main or 60 million sp Gallie main. Maybe it's just a case of the AmScout/ScR combo fitting my playstyle and i'm confusing variables, but i do find it more than a little bit surprising how well she does - i'm already salivating over what she's going to be able to do with everything maxxed. Thanks again for the hard(and good) work, i think your proposal would add value to the game. PSN: RationalSpark
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:45:00 - [35] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: @ Blaziken: Good news about the Breach Laser charge, i brought it up because i wasn't 100% sure from reading your description if it was a charge holding weapon. Re: the relative strength of the ScR, all i can say is that i'm honestly surprised how my well my 8 million sp AmScout alt does with the weapon compared to my 90 million sp Minnie main or 60 million sp Gallie main. Maybe it's just a case of the AmScout/ScR combo fitting my playstyle and i'm confusing variables, but i do find it more than a little bit surprising how well she does - i'm already salivating over what she's going to be able to do with everything maxxed. Thanks again for the hard(and good) work, i think your proposal would add value to the game. Thank you so much! I added something in the Breach Laser Rifle section that clearly states it does not hold charges. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 18:18:00 - [36] - Quote Bump. This is interesting and doable(i think). PSN: RationalSpark
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.11.04 18:55:00 - [37] - Quote Bump because I like lighting up the battlefield with pretty lasers Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 23:11:00 - [38] - Quote bump Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 04:37:00 - [39] - Quote bump Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.05 04:42:00 - [40] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: bump repairs ps3 in Russian (Gò«=^° -ë °^=)Gò«Gö¦GöüGöüGö¦ ( Gò»=^°Gûí°^=)Gò» Gö+GöüGöüGö+ Gù»n+Éo( =-ë=)y~~..nyaa Ha! You can't kill me,I'm already dead!

korrah silain True Illuminate 143	Posted - 2015.11.05 08:07:00 - [41] - Quote I agree with adding a breach laser rifle, don't care one way or the other for the amar suit specific bonuses, and wholeheartedly decry taking away the reload speed bonus in favor of damage boasting fitting reduction. The reason they have that instead of any other reduction is because the assaults got the light weapon fitting, and they are supposed to be flexible suits. The scouts get a cloak fitting reduction because the cloak was made more or less for them, logos vet all other equipment because that's their role, assaults get light weapon reduction because they are the mainstay suits commonly used by most people, so I really dont think the commandos should get a reduction to a specific module. It will really hurt them. If you really want to buff them and give a different bonus perhaps a fitting reduction to ALL modules would be a good idea as they are hurting for fitting room, but that also might be a bit op. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 14:50:00 - [42] - Quote bump Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 18:56:00 - [43] - Quote korrah silain wrote: I agree with adding a breach laser rifle, don't care one way or the other for the amar suit specific bonuses, and wholeheartedly decry taking away the reload speed bonus in favor of damage boasting fitting reduction. The reason they have that instead of any other reduction is because the assaults got the light weapon fitting, and they are supposed to be flexible suits. The scouts get a cloak fitting reduction because the cloak was made more or less for them, logos vet all other equipment because that's their role, assaults get light weapon reduction because they are the mainstay suits commonly used by most people, so I really dont think the commandos should get a reduction to a specific module. It will really hurt them. If you really want to buff them and give a different bonus perhaps a fitting reduction to ALL modules would be a good idea as they are hurting for fitting room, but that also might be a bit op. Alright, I honestly don't care, just saying this once, please use more paragraphs and the format I put. Now, on the feedback I plan an ADDING the resource reduction to the reload bonus, so it will be in ADDITION. Just want to make that clear. I thought about the fitting resource bonus, and I wanted to make it unique from any other class and I did not want a bonus to the same thing the Assaults get a bonus, because Commandos are not Assaults, nor are they meant to be. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 19:09:00 - [44] - Quote Edit made to "Overall Commando Buff" Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 21:19:00 - [45] - Quote bump Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 23:22:00 - [46] - Quote Did some number crunching on the different weapon variations of Commandos and this is what I got: -28 different variations of the Caldari Commando -28 different variations of the Gallente Commando -15 different variations of the Minmatar Commando And on the Amarr Commando: -6 different variations -*10 different variations if the Breach Laser Rifle was added into the game This is further evidence of the Amarr Commando needing a buff Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 23:25:00 - [47] - Quote Edit: New Section added to beginning of 2nd post Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 04:37:00 - [49] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: bump Meows in leetspeek Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.06 17:42:00 - [51] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: bump Cat.exe has stoppded responding,CatOs is searching for a solution [Cancel]{clickable} Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.07 00:12:00 - [52] - Quote bump Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.07 00:13:00 - [53] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: bump Toaster.exe has stopped responding,PootOs is searching for a solution. [Clickable]{launch the gulman?} Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
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maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.07 03:51:00 - [55] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: bump WARNING: Sector meow overload,catsplosion in fiiive minutes. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.07 04:23:00 - [56] - Quote Hey blaze. I got a laser rifle variant idea. 60 battery Heat build up is 1.5 slower than the normal lr Damage up 75% than std laser rifle. Range is short at 60m If you keep that range then bring up damage and heat feedback and make it a breach laser rifle for av purposes. Lol I just remembered when I killed a adv Maddy with a elm 7 laser rifle Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.07 05:17:00 - [57] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Hey blaze. I got a laser rifle variant idea. 60 battery Heat build up is 1.5 slower than the normal lr Damage up 75% than std laser rifle. Range is short at 60m If you keep that range then bring up damage and heat feedback and make it a breach laser rifle for av purposes. Lol I just remembered when I killed a adv Maddy with a elm 7 laser rifle I feel like the AV variant for the Amarr Commando should suck at close range, more than the vanilla one, and be epic at long range against vehicles and good against infantry if you have good aim. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.07 05:25:00 - [58] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Hey blaze. I got a laser rifle variant idea. 60 battery Heat build up is 1.5 slower than the normal lr Damage up 75% than std laser rifle. Range is short at 60m If you keep that range then bring up damage and heat feedback and make it a breach laser rifle for av purposes. Lol I just remembered when I killed a adv Maddy with a elm 7 laser rifle I feel like the AV variant for the Amarr Commando should suck at close range, more than the vanilla one, and be epic at long range against vehicles and good against infantry if you have good aim. Breach weaponry has poor range. Just use this one as the breach and make a assault version. Bigger clips less,longer overheat huge range. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.07 17:07:00 - [59] - Quote bump Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.07 17:14:00 - [60] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: bump Fatal_error_ARF.exe_system Subject feedback has caused rabies in multiple testers Protype alpha x-2 is a failure. Repeat experiment. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!



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