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Vrain Matari wrote:

Nice work Blaziken, lots to think about.

For reference, i run aScR/Scr + ScP religiously on a 8 million sp Amaar scout alt to keep myself familiar with how the ScR is really performing so no Amarr Commando experience, unfortunately.

1. Do you like, dislike, or like some parts and dislike other parts of the proposal? Why?
Like just about everything, particularly how you've changed the flavour of the weapons with suit bonuses. On the Assault the weapons becomes a dynamic low refraction time finesse weapon for those who can manage heat, on the 'mando the weapons become raw damage machines that the suits can treat rough and push beyond their normal dps, sustained fire and damage per clip.

It's hard to quantify what the Assault changes will do, but prolly safe to say the ScR/Assault combo will definitely perform well in the hand of a skilled slayer.

The global Commando fitting buff makes sense, isn't OP and fits the role perfectly.

Regarding the Breach Laser, great idea, would like to see it in-game but it's going to be a powerful AI ohk weapon. For that reason i believe that the weapons should not be able to hold a charge.

2. Do you think any changes could be made to the proposal? If so, what changes?

Breach Laser should be incapable of holding a charge.

AScR does not need any help. I'm surprised how well it does on my underskilled scout, tbh.

The need for a ScR buff is debatable, imo - it's not made for wading into multiple enemies, but if you pick your fights and manage heat it seem to still be an effective 1v1 weapon on the scout suit.

3. Are you skilled into the Amarr Commando?

No.

4. Do you regularly play as an Amarr Commando?

No.


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XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 20:42:00 - [1] - Quote Will be copy and pasting my other thread onto here because I ran out of space Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 20:42:00 - [2] - Quote reserved Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 20:43:00 - [3] - Quote reserved Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Oh hey. Still working on that commando thing? Yeah, ran out of space on the other thread. My bad for not having the foresight to make reserved posts. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 22:33:00 - [5] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Will be copy and pasting my other thread onto here because I ran out of space The only problem with the amarr commando is that the weapons they are using have to be nerfed to be balanced on the amarr assault. Fix the absurdly strong amarr assault bonus and you can make these weapons useful on other suits, which will fix the amarr commando by default. I haven't even typed anything yet... Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 00:21:00 - [6] - Quote partially updated, more coming Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 04:31:00 - [7] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: OK, I agree with reduction to Feedback Damage, Cooldown is meh considering it is doesn't have much impact. Maybe Seize Time(minimal percent)? I'd rather we get a PG/CPU bonus to respective modules like we did with the first commando. We need to separate Assaults and Commandos. Don't change Cooldown to Laser Weaponry and no on second idea. Sorry for the minimalist post lol Excellent feedback, will change accordingly. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 08:14:00 - [8] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Woah, proto weapons are typically only 10% better than standard. Standard Advanced (7% better than standard) Proto (10% better than standard) Your breach laser then becomes Standard: 545.454 Advanced: 583.636 Prototype: 600.000 Hmmm, good point, will edit when I get on tomorrow Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Will be copy and pasting my other thread onto here because I ran out of space The only problem with the amarr commando is that the weapons they are using have to be nerfed to be balanced on the amarr assault. Fix the absurdly strong amarr assault bonus and you can make these weapons useful on other suits, which will fix the amarr commando by default. I haven't even typed anything yet... Doesnt matter what you type, thats the simple reality of the Amarr Commando Which is why we are looking at balancing both at the same time. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 20:27:00 - [10] - Quote So, I'm taking these ideas, putting them into google docs and making one kind of merge that I hope makes everyone happy. My goal with the proposals I made is to make it so that not one person is unhappy (which I know is basically impossible) or to make 95% of the population happy. I will post the new proposal once I have it up and running. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member

XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.03 20:44:00 - [11] - Quote Nearly done here, should be up in a few hours Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 03:00:00 - [12] - Quote My proposal has been finished!!!! If you respond from here on out, please respond in the format in the third post, thank you! Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 03:42:00 - [13] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: My proposal has been finished!!!! If you respond from here on out, please respond in the format in the third post, thank you! Potato Grrr Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 04:01:00 - [14] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: My proposal has been finished!!!! If you respond from here on out, please respond in the format in the third post, thank you! Potato Grrr meowz in espanol *pets Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 04:12:00 - [15] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Potato Grrr meowz in espanol *pets You have to say pets in Spanish. That's how it works ,you flaming ninja chicken.(Pokemon ruby,torchic starter Pokemon ftw) You, I like you. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 04:16:00 - [16] - Quote luckyireland wrote: I dont want them to touch amarr ass laser if they do thats it,im out Don't worry, the Amarr Assault is still getting a bonus to the Laser. The Commando was always meant to be the Laser King, but was overshadowed by the Assault, my proposal makes that happen while keeping the Amarr Assault balanced but not UP. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 04:20:00 - [17] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Now hold on with the love confessions,Mr fire for wrist cuffs,I ain't no two bit school girl who nearly dies of e Happiness when senpai notices me. I'm a hardcore dead motherfugging thug cat who may or may not be effin dead due to that mofo who stuck me Ina box for the sake of science. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:32:00 - [19] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Nice work Blaziken, lots to think about. For reference, i run aScR/Scr + ScP religiously on a 8 million sp Amaar scout alt to keep myself familiar with how the ScR is really performing so no Amarr Commando experience, unfortunately. 1. Do you like, dislike, or like some parts and dislike other parts of the proposal? Why? Like just about everything, particularly how you've changed the flavour of the weapons with suit bonuses. On the Assault the weapons becomes a dynamic low refraction time finesse weapon for those who can manage heat, on the 'mando the weapons become raw damage machines that the suits can treat rough and push beyond their normal dps, sustained fire and damage per clip. It's hard to quantify what the Assault changes will do, but prolly safe to say the ScR/Assault combo will definitely perform well in the hand of a skilled slayer. The global Commando fitting buff makes sense, isn't OP and fits the role perfectly. Regarding the Breach Laser, great idea, would like to see it in-game but it's going to be a powerful AI ohk weapon. For that reason i believe that the weapons should not be able to hold a charge. 2. Do you think any changes could be made to the proposal? If so, what changes? Breach Laser should be incapable of holding a charge. AScR does not need any help. I'm surprised how well it does on my underskilled scout, tbh. The need for a ScR buff is debatable, imo - it's not made for wading into multiple enemies, but if you pick your fights and manage heat it seem to still be an effective 1v1 weapon on the scout suit. 3. Are you skilled into the Amarr Commando? No. 4. Do you regularly play as an Amarr Commando? No. My idea for the Scrambler Rifle buff came from a lot of people complaining about how it was only viable on two suits. So I tried to compensate for that. Oh, and the Breach Laser Rifle isn't able to hold charges, can you tell me where you read that so I can fix that part? Thanks for the feedback! Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:33:00 - [20] - Quote Also, I will see about the Ascr and change my proposal accordingly. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member

XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.04 15:45:00 - [21] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: @ Blaziken: Good news about the Breach Laser charge, i brought it up because i wasn't 100% sure from reading your description if it was a charge holding weapon. Re: the relative strength of the ScR, all i can say is that i'm honestly surprised how my well my 8 million sp AmScout alt does with the weapon compared to my 90 million sp Minnie main or 60 million sp Gallie main. Maybe it's just a case of the AmScout/ScR combo fitting my playstyle and i'm confusing variables, but i do find it more than a little bit surprising how well she does - i'm already salivating over what she's going to be able to do with everything maxxed. Thanks again for the hard(and good) work, i think your proposal would add value to the game. Thank you so much! I added something in the Breach Laser Rifle section that clearly states it does not hold charges. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 18:56:00 - [25] - Quote korrah silain wrote: I agree with adding a breach laser rifle, don't care one way or the other for the amar suit specific bonuses, and wholeheartedly decry taking away the reload speed bonus in favor of damage boasting fitting reduction. The reason they have that instead of any other reduction is because the assaults got the light weapon fitting, and they are supposed to be flexible suits. The scouts get a cloak fitting reduction because the cloak was made more or less for them, logos vet all other equipment because that's their role, assaults get light weapon reduction because they are the mainstay suits commonly used by most people, so I really dont think the commandos should get a reduction to a specific module. It will really hurt them. If you really want to buff them and give a different bonus perhaps a fitting reduction to ALL modules would be a good idea as they are hurting for fitting room, but that also might be a bit op. Alright, I honestly don't care, just saying this once, please use more paragraphs and the format I put. Now, on the feedback I plan an ADDING the resource reduction to the reload bonus, so it will be in ADDITION. Just want to make that clear. I thought about the fitting resource bonus, and I wanted to make it unique from any other class and I did not want a bonus to the same thing the Assaults get a bonus, because Commandos are not Assaults, nor are they meant to be. Amarr Loyalist Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 19:09:00 - [26] - Quote Edit made to "Overall Commando Buff" Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 23:22:00 - [28] - Quote Did some number crunching on the different weapon variations of Commandos and this is what I got: -28 different variations of the Caldari Commando -28 different variations of the Gallente Commando -15 different variations of the Minmatar Commando And on the Amarr Commando: -6 different variations -*10 different variations if the Breach Laser Rifle was added into the game This is further evidence of the Amarr Commando needing a buff Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.05 23:25:00 - [29] - Quote Edit: New Section added to beginning of 2nd post Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.07 05:17:00 - [34] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Hey blaze. I got a laser rifle variant idea. 60 battery Heat build up is 1.5 slower than the normal lr Damage up 75% than std laser rifle. Range is short at 60m If you keep that range then bring up damage and heat feedback and make it a breach laser rifle for av purposes. Lol I just remembered when I killed a adv Maddy with a elm 7 laser rifle I feel like the AV variant for the Amarr Commando should suck at close range, more than the vanilla one, and be epic at long range against vehicles and good against infantry if you have good aim. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.07 19:16:00 - [36] - Quote luckyireland wrote: This is a tricky one because when im shooting someone with laser when i get past there shield im doing more damage with heat build up and thats what i like about the gun. Maybe put a damage cap on commandos but a little extra damage What do you mean when you say a damage cap? Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
XxBlazikenxX Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.11.07 19:36:00 - [37] - Quote luckyireland wrote: Amarr commando will give a laser a damage buff the same as when the laser is at full heat up but at a desadvantage of not been able to fire continuly like on amarr assault. Damage on the laser rifle depends entirely on continuous fire, not heat build up. Under contract by the Amarr Empire Amarr Commando Forever Ancient Exiles. Member
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