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shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.11.01 15:49:00 - [1] - Quote Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? Regressed to blueberry level.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 16:57:00 - [2] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? As things stand, it would be bad because the cloak is pretty much the only reason to use a scout suit. Without a cloak an assault fitted with profile dampeners is nearly always going to be a superior choice to a scout, with the exception of a few extreme fits of limited use.
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:18:00 - [3] - Quote I feel that its pg and cpu should equal an active scanner in its level, while scouts keep their current bonus to it plus gain active scanner immunity while cloaked. Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Playstation move player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:19:00 - [4] - Quote No thank you I really don't want to see the raise of the infiltrator commandos. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying TaireiGÇÖs CrimsonGÇÖ AM-L skins 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:21:00 - [5] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: No thank you I really don't want to see the raise of the infiltrator commandos. What, a commando not running viziam flux uplinks? Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Playstation move player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:22:00 - [6] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: It was intended originally as a combat cloak for all classes, but then scouts cried and it was tailored to scouts. I feel that its pg and cpu should equal an active scanner in its level, while scouts keep their current bonus to it plus gain active scanner immunity while cloaked. Lolz the first part of this statement is just not true. If it is please link me to that post. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying TaireiGÇÖs CrimsonGÇÖ AM-L skins 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:31:00 - [7] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: It was intended originally as a combat cloak for all classes, but then scouts cried and it was tailored to scouts. I feel that its pg and cpu should equal an active scanner in its level, while scouts keep their current bonus to it plus gain active scanner immunity while cloaked. Lolz the first part of this statement is just not true. If it is please link me to that post. Cloaks were never designed to enable direct, head-on combat. They are meant to be used to get around the enemy or escape if you are in a bind. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:36:00 - [8] - Quote http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/ Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Playstation move player
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote The initial proposed cloak was essentially a Crysis cloak Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Playstation move player
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.11.01 18:13:00 - [10] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? As things stand, it would be bad because the cloak is pretty much the only reason to use a scout suit. Without a cloak an assault fitted with profile dampeners is nearly always going to be a superior choice to a scout, with the exception of a few extreme fits of limited use. I have only one scout fit with cloak, it's too slow to pass from it to a weapon and it also makes that loud sound, everyone with a headset can ear it. Regressed to blueberry level.

Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 19:38:00 - [11] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? As things stand, it would be bad because the cloak is pretty much the only reason to use a scout suit. Without a cloak an assault fitted with profile dampeners is nearly always going to be a superior choice to a scout, with the exception of a few extreme fits of limited use. I have only one scout fit with cloak, it's too slow to pass from it to a weapon and it also makes that loud sound, everyone with a headset can ear it. Fair enough, I never said that cloaks were any good. Just that you can nearly always make a superior assault suit version of a scout, apart from the cloak. Using a cloak is pretty much the only thing a scout can do that an assault can't (except for extreme cases).
The Eristic Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.11.01 20:18:00 - [12] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: No thank you I really don't want to see the raise of the infiltrator commandos. ...I do. Reality is the original Rorschach.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 836	Posted - 2015.11.01 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? My double ( sometimes triple ) dampened Gallente Assault is fit with a cloak. No PG or CPU upgrades either. Only usable when there's no Gallente Logi around... obviously. 3 Myofibers 2 Kincats 1 Cardio 2 Dampeners Plasma cannon/ Slaylock Basic Cloak FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
korrah silain True Illuminate 124	Posted - 2015.11.02 04:15:00 - [14] - Quote It'd be nice if it was viable for scouts, at least. you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.11.02 04:38:00 - [15] - Quote The cloak is pretty broken and useless as it stands. Who cares what suit it is on it is nothing more than a slightly more effective profile dampener.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.11.02 05:16:00 - [16] - Quote I actually find making a cardiac reg'd calscout, or a kinmatar scout to be superb just running around like a lunatic detecting people and butchering them, so I disagree that the cloak is the only thing scouts have going for them. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.11.02 05:26:00 - [17] - Quote To answer the OP, I don't necessarily feel that cloaks would add much to the game being available to all classes. On commandos they'd be more or less pointless as it's incredibly hard to get them below another dropsuit's base scan profile. If I recall their profile is worse than a sentinel's. Sentinels can't use equipment anyway, so that's not even worth discussing. Logis using cloaks, while cute in concept could result in logis spending more time hiding in match farming uplinks hives and between-engagement reps with little risk. Assaults are solid enough that adding a cloak doesn't add much to their capability. This is just my take on the topic. Your mileage may vary. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.11.02 08:16:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I actually find making a cardiac reg'd calscout, or a kinmatar scout to be superb just running around like a lunatic detecting people and butchering them, so I disagree that the cloak is the only thing scouts have going for them. That's fair enough, but my point is you could do this better in an assault fitted with kincats and precision mods.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.11.02 19:09:00 - [19] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I actually find making a cardiac reg'd calscout, or a kinmatar scout to be superb just running around like a lunatic detecting people and butchering them, so I disagree that the cloak is the only thing scouts have going for them. That's fair enough, but my point is you could do this better in an assault fitted with kincats and precision mods. Not as fun though. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.11.04 20:44:00 - [20] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I feel that its pg and cpu should equal an active scanner in its level, while scouts keep their current bonus to it plus gain active scanner immunity while cloaked. >immunity to the one thing specifically designed to hunt scouts down >better equipment fitting bonus than logis if cloak fitting was cheap >re-rise of assault scouts Seems legit. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.

Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.11.04 21:14:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I feel that its pg and cpu should equal an active scanner in its level, while scouts keep their current bonus to it plus gain active scanner immunity while cloaked. >immunity to the one thing specifically designed to hunt scouts down >better equipment fitting bonus than logis if cloak fitting was cheap >re-rise of assault scouts Seems legit. >immunity to the one thing specifically designed to hunt scouts down Only focussed scanners are designed to scan scouts. People don't combat scouts with scanners, plus there's no need. >better equipment fitting bonus than logis if cloak fitting was cheap Fitting bonus to one piece of equipment somehow better than a bonus to all equipment? Four equipment slots? Bonus to equipment use? >re-rise of assault scouts lol
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 257	Posted - 2015.11.05 21:42:00 - [22] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? Not to sound to harsh but the game really doesn't need another crutch for those who are too scared for a heads up fight..... Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way with YES!
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.11.06 12:11:00 - [23] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? Not to sound to harsh but the game really doesn't need another crutch for those who are too scared for a heads up fight..... Jump driver is crutch, cloak is balanced (if not underpowed, but i prefer it this way) and with 3 circles passive scan and delay between switch, i see it just as an utility that every suit should be able to use. Just to bring some variety to the gameplay. Strange, but true imo the only class that have problems with the cloak are scouts and it's strange because they are the only class which can use it without completely change their fitting. Yes, it gives bonus to profile, but only when active and also a malus to range, considering that scout should make large use of EW, this is a non sense. Plus, the delay between switch coupled by the noise of deactivation, prevent people to do sneak attacks. Regressed to blueberry level.
Sylwester Dziewiecki 521	Posted - 2015.11.09 22:04:00 - [24] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Simple question. And please consider how it is now, not how it was when it was released. Other question: if it was thought as a scout tool, why does it affect so negatively EW? Cloaks are broke. This module doesn't give you invisibility, everyone can see your shimmering profile - distance really doesn't matter, 'you never know what is out there..' is BS spread by YTuber who wanted to promote his channel to larger audience, and run away as soon as he became CPM member. Scout may try to be invisible , but it's not really that efficient. They need to focus on fitting only ewar modules(at least 2x c.damp), and biotics leaving fit with basic hp, with is something like 250~, and that is really big price for something that works only when players do not look around - as soon they realize that there have to be Scout somewhere near them, they will not let him to attack with advantage of territory. So they will avoid walking in to the buildings or other places where Scount could wait for them behind corners on his NK/SG optimal range, or where he could place RE. Instead alarmed target will stay on open, away from obstacles(that could work in advantage of Scout), and then check every corner with his 'everything-detecting' aim-cross that change color when it find something very-invisible(tech taken directly from Harry Potter - best S-F of all times). Cloaker can not defend himself right away after being detected, he is like a duck - he can not fire back because cloak have deleys that unable him to use wapon. But why biotics you would ask, well without them you are not able to flank someone. Cloaked players can not check how many HP they victim have while being cloaked, so they never know if it's stacked hp target or some militia. Everything is worst for cloakers after last e-war re-balance, for example fitting precision scanners on Scout suit is pointless now. Assaults can have lower signature than what Scout detects with 2x or even 3x more HP. The new Assaults are the better version of Scouts. Summing up: 1. I don't main allowing all classes to use Cloaks - more easy kills for everyone. Cloaks took long way to point were it is now, and it is totally useless ****, relieving it from Scouts would just make them a favor. 2. Responding to your second question, some time ago I was fight on forum for rewarding Scouts with WP for passive detection of redberry - it was before Range Amplifer was nerfed, and e-war re-balance. Fully stacked Scouts with Amplifers Precisions could passivlly scan players with radius of 90 meters while being cloaked for they squad and get no reward for that - Mr. IWS took my request backwards and contributed to Cloak nerf completely annihilating solo-scouting. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido


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