To wreck all the fleeing vehicle users that currently have the ability to harass us at a greater range and run away when we fight back.

To wreck all the fleeing vehicle users that currently have the ability to harass us at a greater range and run away when we fight back.

There's no vehicle that can harass at greater range than the swarm, let alone the forge gun... Have you tried spotting invisible infantry with a vehicle? If you get killed at that range, it was a lucky pot shot.

Completely untrue.

Swarm lock range is 150m. Past that, ADS pilots and gunners have difficulty hitting infantry targets because we're so small. If an ADS is sitting at 160m and firing missiles, it's because he knows there's a group there and it hoping to get a few lucky kills or is just being a distraction/diversion and trying to draw aggro while the rest of the team moves on an objective. Most ADS still have to get within about 100m ( and well within Swarm range) to get any decent shots.

And that is what I am disputing. Even though sometimes the rendering can get in the way. That's more of an anecdotal complaint because it doesn't happen most of the time. There are also plenty of pilots with the skill that make your restatement of some other guys point patently false. I do not have the capture card to prove it but I do have lots of in game experience on both sides of the AV/pilot equation, I am telling you they kill you just fine all the way out to about where the forge gun range ends. Therefore I would say that 250m lock on would be just fine.

I do not have the capture card to prove it but I do have lots of in game experience on both sides of the AV/pilot equation, I am telling you they kill you just fine all the way out to about where the forge gun range ends. Therefore I would say that 250m lock on would be just fine.

No.

Small Turret Ranges: Missile (200); Railgun (250); Blaster (about 5...)
Large Turret Ranges: Missile (250); Railgun (300); Blaster (150-200, some falloff, not sure.)

Now, those are their maximum ranges, their effective ranges (as in this ranges they are actually useable in) are fairly short: small turrets are limited to about 100m, large missiles and blasters roughly the same with large railguns only really able to shoot at their longest range because of their zoom.

So really, no, Swarms don't need a lock-on range buff and especially not up to 250m.

Your reasoning is incredibly flimsy and anecdotal. Swarms are still useful as additional AV and can solo careless vehicles. The range buff isn't needed.

Typical troll logic, say something inane "muh 100m" and then declare yourself victor 5 minutes later without evidence or responding to any part of my argument, your the one that was flimsy.

Small Turret Ranges: Missile (200); Railgun (250); Blaster (about 5...)

It's too easy to kill LAV's. One, at most two, hits from a Swarm will kill every LAV I've encountered (seemingly even Basic or Militia Swarms.)

Thanks for reading this

Here are the AV ranges plotted out by yours truly.

And that is only the area covered if the AV'er was at Alpha, let alone on towers on either side of the bridge, or any map in general.

150 meters allwos a swarmer to protect his team in the immediate area, beyong small turret effective ranges. (which i will add to this post later)

250m is lock on is pretty ludicrous it shuts down the entire playable area of the map. Especially for an autotargeting system.

As much as you may not like it, pilots do get to play Dust.

And that is what I am disputing. Even though sometimes the rendering can get in the way. That's more of an anecdotal complaint because it doesn't happen most of the time.